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[Tbagger]

Well I figured it was about time to start a little journal on this site about my little project.

Ever since I watched the WRC on SPEED when I was 15 I wanted to be a rally driver. So after I graduated college, landed a good job I bought myself my STi. After 2 years of going to shows, enjoying the STi community and running on tarmac, auto-x and such, I decided to convert my car to what I've always wanted.

Before:

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/Lip004.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/cleancar005.jpg

The gutting begins!

By far the easiest part :mrgreen:
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Getting closer...

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Good enough!

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The pile of "trash"

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There was more just not pictured :crazy:

Car is off to get the cage!

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While the car was gone, I decided to flock my dash and guage pod

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1679.jpg

as well as relocate my DCCD controls, my kill switch is here as well.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1685.jpg

Then I got the car back!!!

Naked cage!! (Yes there are no gussets, these are coming)

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Some close up shots of the metal fabrication

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PRIMER GRAY FTW!!! :lol2: (I wanted a color that won't show dirt or get too hot)

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[Tbagger]

Now putting the car back together .... WOOOPIEEEE

Dash reinstalled along with the relocated DCCD

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1703.jpg

I located my DEFi controller under the HVAC controls (Duct tape FTW!!!)

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1700.jpg

Measures up and mounted my Cobra Suzuka GT seats!!! Passenger is @2'' further back for better weight distribution, or something like that!!!

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[Tbagger]

Other Miscellaneous parts made, found or bought through this adventure!

Roof scoop, wouldn't be a rally car without it!!

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1506.jpg

Homemade "Rallybagger" flaps ...

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Skid plate ...

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Harness(s)

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1730.jpg

[Tbagger]

What the car looks like now ....

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1742_edited-1.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1735_edited-1.jpg


The "To do list", which never seems to end ...

FHI JDM WRX 4/2pots with 5x114.3 rotors (SO JDM YO) - Being installed April 28th!!!

Speedline 15''x7'' GOLD gravel tires - In transit to my house!!

Gravel tires - Hankook 202's???

Fire system
Intercom w/ helmet mic etc
Rally computer
Gravel Suspension
GUSSETS!!!!! - this is a major priority at the moment!

I know I'm probably missing some stuff but it will all work itself out!!

The deadline is October 23rd, which is the "International Rally New York" with USRC!!!

I hope you enjoyed so far, more will definetly be coming!!!



**currently accepting donations and or sponsorship!!!

[JacksonRally]

Looks good. You are going to have a ton of fun when its done. Hope to see you at a rally one day.

[Tbagger]

Thanks!!! I can't wait for it to be done!!!

I consider myself a patient person but the anticipation is killing me!

I started this project at the end of February, hoping to have it done by June!

[bigjoshsubyfan]

very nice build i wish i had the money to do something like this anyways its awesome and good luck

[fattie92]

Awesome build! That thing will be a blast when its done.

[409industries]

Indeed it would be great to see you on stage sometime! Keep up the great work.

1) Is your killswitch hooked up? (this is the one with the alternator lead?)

2) How did you deal with the latch for the roof vent. We had to get creative with mine, but it works well being welded to the windscreen bar of the cage. I am interested in how you addressed this problem.

When it comes to building rally cars, unless you have an unlimited budget you're going to have to be patient whether you like it or not! ooooh but it makes driving it even that much more exciting.

Plans for gravel wheels?

[Tbagger]

^The roof scoop had no issues, i basically just cut off a couple tabs from the original mounting bracket supplied with the kit.

Kill switch is being hooked up when I get my brakes put in, April 28th. It is a Terratrip switch.

Gravel wheels are in route to my house ...

They are 15''x7'' Speedline Corse wheels, gold.

I just finished cutting up my front door cards to fit the cage, that was fun ..... NOT!

My cage impedes on the OEM window switches so I had to jimmy rig them with zip ties and drill some holes into the doorcard to secure them in place. Came out pretty nice if I do say so myself!

I'm hoping to have my GroupN rotors here tomorrow .... COME ON FEDEX!

Thanks for all the nice comments!

[409industries]

Gravel wheels are in route to my house ...

They are 15''x7'' Speedline Corse wheels, gold.



Did you take advantage of those $150 wheel FS post on Special Stage by Rallispec?

[albascoob]

Holy ****
There must be so many rally car builds going on right now. Crap economy my arse.
October is a long way off!
Get it built. Go rallying.

Rally WV end of July?
BRS in Sept?

Hopefully see you out there soon. If not in the car, spectating. Stop by and say hi.

[Tbagger]

Did you take advantage of those $150 wheel FS post on Special Stage by Rallispec?

if you mean advantage like a $5 hooker, than yes, yes I did!! :headbang:

Holy ****
There must be so many rally car builds going on right now. Crap economy my arse.
October is a long way off!
Get it built. Go rallying.

Rally WV end of July?
BRS in Sept?

Hopefully see you out there soon. If not in the car, spectating. Stop by and say hi.

October is far away but I'm sure I'll run into some obsticles. I'd like to have the car done and run a rallysprint and some rally-x's to get my feet in the sand, no pun intended :lol2:

I might make the trip up to Maine forest rally for some RA action (spectating for sure)

It's a great thing seeing all these rally cars being built!!!! I hope this sport really starts to take off in the US!!! NASA and RA joining forces could be a good thing .... MORE EXPOSURE!!!!

[Not All There]

Car looked great over at UCONN, nice build!

[KevinWelker]

the car looks nice, good work. I would suggest that you take a look at skidplates on other cars. The one you have does not have very long coverage for the transmission and it's only mounted to the U frame which is not as strong as you might want it to be for the speeds that car will be seeing.

Not saying your's won't work, but that is not a spot you want to skimp...

here's what we have. Ex-Prodive GrpN piece.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3496/3190139454_5fdca20157_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3189297171_914a92a6bd_b.jpg

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[Tbagger]

^good point

I'm actually in the middle of getting a peice cut that will cover not only the tranny but also the exposed elbow of the DP .... that looks like it will take a beating.....

The list just keeps on growing which is why I'm not getting my hopes up and planning on OCT. as the first staged test ...

i need to win the lottery ...

[Tbagger]

Car looked great over at UCONN, nice build!

Thanks!!

[oliwer78]

Wow, I think I'm about doing the same in near future.

Who did install a roll cage, is it some particular shop or it could be a friendly welder in area? I know there are specs for kinds of welds etc. Do you need any certificate for that when going to RNY?

Thank for posting the tread, it's temoting :)

[Tbagger]

^Chris Howard is a local cage builder and knows his isshh. There are requirements on welds being a complete bead around the bars and with good penetration. A seasoned welder would do but I just sent it to him. I was the 7th cage this winter.

On to some fun stuff!!!

LITTLE BRAKES ARRIVED!!!! wheels should be following tomorrow

Here are some pics of me little GroupN goodies from Japan!

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1786.jpg

Now remember boys and girls, don't be a fool wrap your tool!

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Pads, lines and fluid are waiting .....

[oliwer78]

Any paperwork goes along with the cage, or the rally inspection visually check the cage and say OK?
Are they stock engine and tranny?

My few pics from last RNY: http://picasaweb.google.com/oliwer78/RallyNewYork200934April#

[409industries]

Any paperwork goes along with the cage, or the rally inspection visually check the cage and say OK?
Are they stock engine and tranny?

My few pics from last RNY: http://picasaweb.google.com/oliwer78/RallyNewYork200934April#

No paperwork for the cage but it must conform to the rules of the sanctioning body of the rally you are going to run (Rally America / NASA Rallysport). If you build a cage to FIA article 253 then you will have a cage that is acceptable to most (if not all) rallies in the US. The "paperwork" that shows a cage is acceptable comes in the form of a Logbook for the car, when a scrutineer inspects the roll cage and deems that it is OK to run in a rally. This can be done at an actual event or before hand.

Here is a good place to start for roll cage specs.

http://www.rally-america.com/info/2008_Rollcage.pdf

Consult the Stage Rally Prep (http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=105) forums for more information about building a proper roll cage.

[Tbagger]

I gots me some Gravel Wheels!!

15x7 SPEEDline Corse 2020's !!!

They were used in Europe in '06 for some "RECCE" and found their way to my doorstep! Got a great deal (better than I thought) so I could care less about the gravel rash!!

Here are some pics!!!

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Off to HD for some nice Gold rattle can paint!

someone is interested in picking up a set of Rotas from me, I'm very tempted to buy 5 more. Although my gravel suspension fund needs a bit of help ...

[Tommy Gun Rally]

You'll want more than 4 wheels. Do everything you can to get more of those Speedlines, NOW....you wont regret it. I'll bet they're all sold by now though. You could probably rally them, then sell them for more than you bought them for years down the road. Sell those Rotas STAT.

And leave the paint alone on them - they look bad ass as-is, and you don't wanna lose that Speedline logo... :D

And do I get a finders fee for posting about those wheels? hehehe

[Ty Ty]

You'll want more than 4 wheels.

x2. You'll be bummin when you've got the 4 wheels on the car, your one spare, and then you get two flats. Rally is over because you didn't have any more tires. :shootsself:


And seriously rethink the way the front of your skid is mounted.

[Tbagger]

money, in this build, is an option as hard as it is for me to say it ....

i'm looking to sell my rotas this weekend, as in tomorrow, so that will open up some funding for more wheels/rubber. If i won powerball, without a doubt I'd have 30 wheels in my garage but seeing how this build started in February, I think I've come a long way!

I am definetly looking into picking up at least 5 more of these before they're sold out, which they are not, as of my knowledge. I got the rims from the same place I got my rotors!! Returning customer FTW!!!!

and not to knock the replies above this, but there are 5 wheels there .... :)

and in those pictures 13 wheels, + the 4 on the car .... reminds me i need to sell some stuff!!!

[Tbagger]

I have little brakes now :oops: but that means GRAVEL WHEELS!!!:headbang:

Swapped out my lovely brembos for some JDM GroupN rotors and calipers!

working some magic

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:eek:
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test fitting
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small brakes, big wheels ....

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1820_edited-1.jpg

car was dropped off for vinyl this afternoon, won't have any updates until late next week :shootsself:

[albascoob]

x3 on the wheels. You'll need 8-10 minimum. Not because they may break but because tyres wear out!
Make sure you have spare rotors/pads also. They are expendable items.

Yes, I understand the money argument, but...

[fattie92]

Why do the "GroupN" brakes look like take off 06-07 WRX 4 pots? Are they pretty much the same thing, but bolt right up with no special brackets?

[Tbagger]

the calipers are 06-07 red WRX brakes, pretty much the same. the rotors are JDM GroupN rotors that are 5x114.3 and keep the stock STi ebrake that is a bigger than a standard WRX ebrake (190mm to 170mm). These rotors make it a complete easy swap. the calipers bolt right up no problem.

[Tbagger]

x3 on the wheels. You'll need 8-10 minimum. Not because they may break but because tyres wear out!
Make sure you have spare rotors/pads also. They are expendable items.

Yes, I understand the money argument, but...

I'm working on getting 5 more for that exact reason. Tires are :jack:

I have extra pads, rotors of course will all come in due time. I'm not looking to do a 15 events this year. This is the year the car gets together, logbooked and tested out at an event. Next year will be the fun times! :headbang:

Gotta start somewhere, this is pretty good for beginning in February of this year.

I have to work to support this project:shootsself:

[Galen]

Subscribed.

Great build, and your moving at a really fast pace! Cant wait to see what it looks like when it gets back from vinyl. Did you get the gussets in yet?

[Tbagger]

Gussets are going in when I finally seal up the inside. I made the huge mistake of putting dynamat down when it was a "street" car. i've been battling with it for a long time now but I'm so close to having all that black tar crap out of the back ....

I do have every bushing upgrade coming so that should keep me busy. Also rally intercom and computer are in the works.

After that it will be fire supression, first aide, safety tri angles and other odds and ends.

Suspension will be the last thing as it's the most expensive ...... and I don't have the money at the moment, funds are tapped with all of the above ... Although I have decided to run the Allwheelsdriven coil overs after reading such great things about them !!!

[Galen]

Have you tried using dry ice to get the gunk off? I know it works wonders for sound deadening, it may work for dynamat too...

[Tbagger]

so far the best method that works is taking a ball of the black crap from hell and using it to pull off the black crap from hell thats still attached. It tends to stick to itself better than the metal ..... slow process .... I do use wifies hair dryer to heat it up a bit to get it soft ....

[KevinWelker]

yeah, the dry ice or liquid nitrogen method is hands down the easier way to get that crap off.

[Daniel B]

Try this one...

Heat with hair dryer
Spray with brake cleaner
Scrub with small wire brush
Wipe excess with rag soaked in brake cleaner

[Tommy Gun Rally]

I know everyone is so hot to get all that stuff off of a race car....but why? I've done this on a few cars and the work is SO much for a result that's...well, not really worth it. You can save MAYBE 5-10 lbs by doing this, why the bother? After working to get it all off, then repainting the area so it doesn't rust, etc., to me, it's a waste of time and effort. And having a car that is NOT excessively loud inside is nice while on long transits and driving on the street. I'd leave the dynamat. Get rid of some unneeded wiring, switch to two piece rotors, take your sway bars off, take some guts out of your dashboard, that all offers the same amount of weight savings.

[Tommy Gun Rally]

oh, and not doggin on this car at all....I think it's rad! Just throwing a kinda off topic comment out there. :)

[Tbagger]

^i'm not concerned so much for weight as I still have my A/C and my radio, even though the head unit is duct taped rally style!

I just got sick of everything sticking to the damn black crap. not to mention it looks like someone spilled tar in the car .... i'm a bit OCD.

Not having the car is killing me because I still have so much to do! I have my fingers crossed for next Wednesday:crazy:

[kreitz3]

This is a really quick build! The car is coming along real nice like too!

Can you post some pictures up of your custom door switch mount?

[Tommy Gun Rally]

^i'm not concerned so much for weight as I still have my A/C and my radio, even though the head unit is duct taped rally style!

I just got sick of everything sticking to the damn black crap. not to mention it looks like someone spilled tar in the car .... i'm a bit OCD.

Not having the car is killing me because I still have so much to do! I have my fingers crossed for next Wednesday:crazy:

Gotcha, that's all good reasons to remove it. Mine has been painted over so there is no sticking issue, now I can see how much of a hassle it would be to have that tar stuff in there.

[Tbagger]

This is a really quick build! The car is coming along real nice like too!

Can you post some pictures up of your custom door switch mount?

Thanks!

The "custom" door switches are nothing more than zip tying them up next to the tweeter in the door handle. This allowed clearance as my door x ran RIGHT through where the switches needed to go. It was a quick fix that worked great. I drill a hole in the switches and then drilled another in the door card as close to the tweeter as possible. The rear of the switch I mounted to the door card from within with zip ties to secure that as well. For a handle to shut the door, I found an old duffel bag and cut off the two short handles and proceeded to screw them into the door where the old metal mount was that the window switch mounted up to!!! :mrgreen:

[Tbagger]

well i got the preliminary vinyl layout today in an email attachment. I"M PUMPED!!!

I get to pick the car up Friday a.m. only problem with that, I'll be in Charlotte until Saturday.

SO you can bet your sweet asses that I'll have pics Saturday night of the sweet vinyl!!!

-Rally On

[Tbagger]

Small update as the vinyl seems to be taking forever. I was assured i'll have the car back home thursday after work. good thing because I have a lot of work to do!!

Anyways I picked up my rs202's and they'll be mounted tomorrow on my speedlines!

Here is a teaser pic of the vinyl layout ....
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_2064_edited-1.jpg

i also started a BLOG for our rally team. it will be updated with a bunch of pics, videos and stories as we complete the car and hit the stages. feel free to go check out the site as it has links to our supporters as well as an event calendar and other cool things .....

http://pinittowinit.wordpress.com/

Rally On

[409industries]

amped to see the new vinyl. Don't wait to post!!!

[Tbagger]

^I'll have her back in the garage tomorrow night @5pm Eastern so the pics should be up @5:30 hahahaha

Here are some chunky tire pics to hold you over!!!

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_2074_edited-1.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_2075_edited-1.jpg

This saturday will be a big install day. The car will of course be raised up for rally-x next weekend, wheels mounted up, every bushing replaced with TiC or Kartboy, intercom being put in!

[kevinblahh]

this ****s lookin hot, what part of mass are you from?

[Tbagger]

I live in Whitinsville, central MA pretty much. 15 mins south of Worcester.

Thanks!

I NEED RALLY PLACES FOR SOME PR PHOTOS!!!!

[albascoob]

where did you source new Kooks?

[Tbagger]

RalliSpec FTW!!!!

[Tbagger]

well she's home. On to the pics, I hope you like :)

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_2078_edited-1.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_2079_edited-1.jpg

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mounted up the wheels as well. raised the car up 1'' all around and called it a day. awaiting a bunch of stuff for the saturday install!

[409industries]

wow man that looks crazy! :)

[albascoob]

I hope Dave gave you those tyres for free with the giant ad on your car!

[Tbagger]

welp, it's been slow on the updated front, if you've been following the blog of the build you can see the big install day we had. we replaced basically every bushing, mount we could and installed the intercom (the best thing evar!!!)

we're slowly moving along as we can dish out money to the build. The following should be here this week for another fun weekend,

1-fire extinguisher for the co-driver side
3- triangles for "breakdown" events
TerraTrip 202+ computer
couple stickers for the killswitch and Fire system
map light

I've contacted my cage builder and we're hopefully setting up a time to drop the car off and get the required gussets in there. just need the main hoop x, door x's, should be an easy job. After that I'll be making my appointment for someone to checkout the cage and hopefully get the thumbs up for log booking!!! (i'm nervous :) )

Also got my competition license so I feel cool now ...

I'll be updating the blog and such as parts/fun commences.

Pretty much the only thing left on the car is the restrictor, co-driver 6pt and the suspension (deposit is in)

[carl]

TerraTrip 202+ computer

the 303+ we have is about the ****tiest thing ever - hopefully the 202 isn't even worse (interface, ease of use, reliability, overall design)

we'll be upgrading for sure after this season. :machinegunleft:

[Daniel B]

the 303+ we have is about the ****tiest thing ever - hopefully the 202 isn't even worse (interface, ease of use, reliability, overall design)

we'll be upgrading for sure after this season. :machinegunleft:

Where do you have it grounded?

In my experience, Terrortrips need to be grounded to the battery... that has been the only solution to every problem I've had with them. Direct (fused) wire to the battery - no shared circuts.

(no problems for 1000's of kilometers afterward - many problems before - on 3 different Terrortrips)

[carl]

grounding it to the battery won't change it's poor interface

[Daniel B]

I've contacted my cage builder and we're hopefully setting up a time to drop the car off and get the required gussets in there. just need the main hoop x, door x's, should be an easy job. After that I'll be making my appointment for someone to checkout the cage and hopefully get the thumbs up for log booking!!! (i'm nervous :) )

My windscreen pillar reinforcement will be in the same plane as to doorbars so I am uncertian about your setup, but, are you sure you don't need extra gussts where the windscreen reinforcement pillar passes by the door bar "x"?

(I don't know but thought I'd ask before you get your appointment)

8.3.2.1.5 Reinforcement of bends and junctions :
The junctions between:
- the diagonal members of the main rollbar,
- the roof reinforcements (configuration of Drawing 253-12 and
only for cars homologated as from 01/01/2007),
-the doorbars (configuration of Drawing 253-9),
- the doorbars and the windscreen pillar reinforcement (Drawing
253-15),
must be reinforced by a minimum of 2 gussets complying with
article 253-8.2.14.
If the doorbars and the windscreen pillar reinforcement are not
situated in the same plane, the reinforcement may be made of
fabricated sheet metal, provided it complies with dimensions in
Article 253-8.2.14.

[Tbagger]

my windscreen bar is gusseted but not with a taco style gusset. It's using just bars and on the rear of the windscreen bar connected to the front hoops. If thats what you're refering too. My appointment won't be until the first event, but I'm lucky enough to have a NASA/RA scrutineer that lives 35 mins away from me that can pretty much O.K my car before log book to tell me if it passes.

Gussets: a plate or tube that is welded to the connection of 2 roll cage tubes that provides reinforcement of the connection. refere to 6.3 for detailed description

Round tubing: Minimum length is 3 times the thickness of the tubings diameter. Minimum tubing diameter is 1'' with minimum wall thickness of .083''. Maximum wall thickness is per the materials of section 6.6

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1699-1.jpg

if this is what you're talking about ....

I've also inquired about my roof bars as it is a V in the oppostie direction than most. This is addressed in the NASA cage diagrams as well, figure 253-13 roof vee brace.

[Tbagger]

the 303+ we have is about the ****tiest thing ever - hopefully the 202 isn't even worse (interface, ease of use, reliability, overall design)

we'll be upgrading for sure after this season. :machinegunleft:

That sucks to hear :( luckily I don't have to deal with it as my co-driver will but I was hoping for a good deal given the cost. I had a kick ass deal for a colabra or whatever it's called but I didn't have the funds to hold onto it ... :angryfinger:

[albascoob]

Terratrips are ok with wheel probes.
Ours is wired into the ECU. Hasnt worked properly since we put it in, then again we havent needed it.

[Daniel B]

All of this is assuming that you need a cage built to FIA Article 253...

8.3.2.1.5 Reinforcement of bends and junctions :
The junctions between:
- the diagonal members of the main rollbar,
- the roof reinforcements (configuration of Drawing 253-12 and
only for cars homologated as from 01/01/2007),
-the doorbars (configuration of Drawing 253-9), They mention this independantly of the next point, leading me to believe it is a different set of gussets.
- the doorbars and the windscreen pillar reinforcement (Drawing
253-15), The windscreen reinforcement pillar is the (near) verticle bar running from the base of your a-pillar to the top of your a-pillar.
must be reinforced by a minimum of 2 gussets complying with
article 253-8.2.14.
If the doorbars and the windscreen pillar reinforcement are not
situated in the same plane, the reinforcement may be made of
fabricated sheet metal, provided it complies with dimensions in
Article 253-8.2.14.


I'm thinking I'm wrong about your requirements, and that you dont need a FIA cage... because the FIA document describes a gusset as:

Reinforcement for a bend or junction made from bent sheet metal
with a U shape (drawing 253-34) the thickness of which must not
be less than 1.0 mm.

Probably nothing to worry about...

[Daniel B]

Terratrips are ok with wheel probes.
Ours is wired into the ECU. Hasnt worked properly since we put it in, then again we havent needed it.

There is a "blackbox" needed to convert the subaru VSS signal to a format the Terrortrip can use.

(and, how's it grounded?)

[Tbagger]

All of this is assuming that you need a cage built to FIA Article 253...



I'm thinking I'm wrong about your requirements, and that you dont need a FIA cage... because the FIA document describes a gusset as:

Reinforcement for a bend or junction made from bent sheet metal
with a U shape (drawing 253-34) the thickness of which must not
be less than 1.0 mm.

Probably nothing to worry about...

The A-pillar bar is what you're refering to? The straight peice from the winshield reinforcement down to the floor box? If so then the only gusset is required when the bar is splitting the door x. Mine is a straight peice with no breaks in it and connects to the floor box with the front hoops and door x's. The gusset is required when that bar cuts door bar x.

http://carl-s.smugmug.com/photos/418509747_uqttf-L.jpg

Mine doesn't do that ^ it runs straight into the floor box and is actually welded TO the door x but not through it.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_1700.jpg

i might need to gusset the floor box but I'll find out soon ...

[Daniel B]

Now I'm totaly confused... :oops:

I thought it was the other way around:
http://www.rocketrally.com/dloads/pics/pro-builds/thumbs-lrg/08build127.jpg

[albascoob]

There is a "blackbox" needed to convert the subaru VSS signal to a format the Terrortrip can use.

(and, how's it grounded?)



yep...you are correct.

[Tbagger]

Now I'm totaly confused... :oops:

I thought it was the other way around:
http://www.rocketrally.com/dloads/pics/pro-builds/thumbs-lrg/08build127.jpg

to be honest, the NASA rules and even RA rules are so vague, I don't even think they know to be honest ....

[carl]

the RA rules are not vague, they reference you to the FIA which is fairly detailed about what cage designs are acceptable

[carl]

My windscreen pillar reinforcement will be in the same plane as to doorbars so I am uncertian about your setup, but, are you sure you don't need extra gussts where the windscreen reinforcement pillar passes by the door bar "x"?

(I don't know but thought I'd ask before you get your appointment)

8.3.2.1.5 Reinforcement of bends and junctions :
The junctions between:
- the diagonal members of the main rollbar,
- the roof reinforcements (configuration of Drawing 253-12 and
only for cars homologated as from 01/01/2007),
-the doorbars (configuration of Drawing 253-9),
- the doorbars and the windscreen pillar reinforcement (Drawing
253-15),
must be reinforced by a minimum of 2 gussets complying with
article 253-8.2.14.
If the doorbars and the windscreen pillar reinforcement are not
situated in the same plane, the reinforcement may be made of
fabricated sheet metal, provided it complies with dimensions in

Article 253-8.2.14.

i think this is what you posted

8.3.2.1.5 Reinforcement of bends and junctions :
The junctions between:
- the diagonal members of the main rollbar,
- the roof reinforcements (configuration of Drawing 253-12 and
only for cars homologated as from 01/01/2007),
-the doorbars (configuration of Drawing 253-9),
- the doorbars and the windscreen pillar reinforcement (Drawing
253-15),
must be reinforced by a minimum of 2 gussets complying with
article 253-8.2.14.
If the doorbars and the windscreen pillar reinforcement are not
situated in the same plane, the reinforcement may be made of
fabricated sheet metal, provided it complies with dimensions in
Article 253-8.2.14.

your pillar reinforcement is not on the same plane as the doorbars so you do need this type of reinforcement to meet the FIA specs to my understanding

[Daniel B]

your pillar reinforcement is not on the same plane as the doorbars so you do need this type of reinforcement to meet the FIA specs to my understanding

That's the way I understand it...

I'll know for certain in a couple months ;)

[Tbagger]

welp yesterday the crew and the car made the hike up to Mt. Washington for the Wicked Big Meet. Even though the weather was gross it was a very good turn out. The car seemed to attract some attention so that brought a smile! We're so close in finishing this car it hurts. I can't wait to get this thing on the stages. We're hoping to be making an appearance in August if not October in NY. In the mean time I will have to stick to Auto-x and Hillclimbs to get the rush on ...

Pics of the car ....

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/WBM2009-1.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/WBM2009.jpg

the ride home after a long day...

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/DSCN0403-1_edited-1.jpg

Now I'm trying to roll all my quarters and sell my kidney for the suspension ... restricor and inlet should be in by the end of the month...I'm going on vaca starting this friday and the build will be stagnent for a week!

[409industries]

That is awesome that you made it to WBM. Id love to make it out there one year. The more rally cars we can get to the event the better in my opinion.

Since there was some question about A pillar reinforcement bar gussets, here is a pic of how mine were done:

http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/hosting/project_rs/2009-1-27-cage_film/cage_film_006.jpg

[method]

I think I saw this car months ago:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3599/3393149799_dd763cb385.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bustarines/3393149799/)

[Tbagger]

^yup thats my car and YUP i'm bringing the thread back from the dead.

To catch everyone up we have successfully completed our first staged event at Winter Rally New York. You can find the details here: www.pinittowinit.wordpress.com (http://www.pinittowinit.wordpress.com)

Now we're regrouping the car for the 2nd round of the Championship Series on April 16th-17th for Rally New York USA !!!

We do have a blog that is updated usually with anything new on the car but ...

I made a facebook page if you guys want to become a fan ...

OmG We'Re On FaCEBook!!!!

now if you're wondering whats going on with the team and you're too lazy or forgot the site for the Blog we have a facebook page. It will have similar stuff of the blog, pics, stories, events and soon coming TEAM: Pin It To Win It swag ...

Check it out, become a fan, have your friends become fans and stay in touch with us at TEAM: Pin It To Win It through our Rally Season

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/TEAM-Pin-It-To-Win-It/352320258349?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/TEAM-Pin-It-To-Win-It/352320258349?ref=ts)

spread the word and we'll have plenty of pics, video, comments etc.

[Broken Motorsports]

good stuff Tim!

[Tbagger]

^thanks bill

how's the cars coming?? I saw you were all signed up.

My cars in the paint booth then vinyl. Then I have nothing else to do until the rally but add little things for Joe's side of the car... kind of boring.

[Tbagger]

new paint on the new OEM replacement parts from a little run in with a tree at Winter Rally NY.

Should have some new pics on the blog/facebook soon. Doing a bit of a change up on some sticker work.

Also got some sticky rubber in the works for the tarmac event

[Tbagger]

Putting Humpty back together again...
Before:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/DSC_0006.jpg

After
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG00101.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG00100.jpg

[ProRallyCodriver]

Putting Humpty back together again...
Before:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/DSC_0006.jpg



Oppsie!
Tip: Rally groupie babes don't go for squeaky clean new driver's-suit dudes and a worn-in suit is worth a second a mile. Roll around in mud a bit, pour some champaigne on it, stain it w/ some sweat before next rally and you'll be beating the women off you in service and faster on the stages.

Good luck w/ the tarmac. At least now you shouldn't be starting at the back of th pack. It'll take a stage or two to learn how much marbles get dragged onto stage on corners that can be cut. Don't be caught out on first stage. Also, speeds will be way faster than your first event so it may take your navie some time to find your pace to sync the notes.

[Tbagger]

^we were the butt of a few laughs because of our suites :) no harm done though. We weren't planning on it but we did get to dirty them up a little bit ;)

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/DSC_0042.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/2010rallyny5.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/2010rallyny6.jpg

[Tbagger]

The Tarmac Setup for RNY USA

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_4445_edited-1.jpg

off to the vinyl shop for some replacement stickers ....

[fattie92]

Baller!

[Tbagger]

new tarmac rubber on the way!!!!

should be here this week, i'll be in canada though :(

[Tbagger]

New rubber, stickyicky!!

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_4647.jpg

[RS22b]

nice!

Wish i could have gotten in on some, but oh well.

See ya there Tim.

[Tbagger]

It was too good of a deal to pass up on all of them. i won't be needing tarmac tires for a while! Cleared out their inventory :)

See you next week!!

[Tbagger]

New Vinyl is on the car !!!! Came out very nice, a little different layout then before the tree incident http://www.iwsti.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_4651_edited-1.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/IMG_4652_edited-1.jpg

car goes for tarmac tires and an alignment tomorrow then it's time to pack up the trailer for the departure Thursday morning!!!

Don't forget to Facebook the team as we'll be updating with how we progress through the stages in New York!!

[Tbagger]

Team: Pin It To Win It returns from Rally New York USA taking third in Saturday's regional AWD and 6th overall !!!

Pictures and story to come

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m42/Tbagger_photos/4533270706_afa396520b_b.jpg

[Tbagger]

We are RallyAmerica APPROVED!!!

Woke up this morning with an email from the technical director for RA waiving the license restriction for us!!!

We'll be at NEFR this year so come cheer us on !!! or yell at us and call us names, either way ....

[Not All There]

sweet! Congrats guys! Best of luck at NEFR!

[Broken Motorsports]

Great news guys! Told you would be ok ;)

[Tbagger]

Thanks Bill !!!

I'm pumped although the car is being taken apart right now for the tranny issue remedy and a good cleaning/maintnence schedule.

We're hoping to get some gravel practice in at the summer rallysprint in June, maybe a weekend at TON. Wish I could make TON rally but I'll be in Philly, real life is a drag sometimes...

[driveclimbslide]

Just saw the car for sale. What gives?!

[valkyrie]

Just saw the car for sale. What gives?!

X2! come on tim, say it isnt so!

[409industries]

WTF? Car being sold?

[mavric]

yeah I saw the RSSP's and everything else up for sale in multiple places! We want answers!

[Cambo]

id hate to see you loose that car :-(

its wierd to see people fall out when your trying so hard to get in... i guess it has to happen someday...