cadence braking?

[wr-ecks]

And my dad taught me cadence braking when it was still a relevant technique.. yeah I am old :D

mainly aimed at you rollo but what the heck is it? somebody explain please. never heard the term.
:?

[williaty]

Pumping up and down on the pedal. Old-skool ABS.

[rollo]

What he said. It uses identical principles to ABS and has the same aim - i.e. slowing you down while retaining directional control (because you can steer in between locking up). In practice it's really tough to do, but the basic idea of "a locked wheel can't steer" is a valuable instinct to have IMO.

[williaty]

Frankly, just learning to threshold break is much easier, and much more successful than cadence braking OR ABS.

[rollo]

Well.. perhaps. Threshold braking is definitely more effective when done right. It might be easy to learn, but surely not to master. And it's a lot easier when you know it's coming, for instance a corner on a road course.

Cadence and ABS - the 'almost-lock-to-slow/unlock-to-steer' principle - IMO are well suited to emergency manoevres in roadgoing situations though (e.g. someone pulls out in front of you, or the truck in front drops a bag of cement in your path). You have little-to-no knowledge of the road conditions under you at that point, and your natural reaction is simply to slam on the brakes.

[me_jimmy]

can anyone save us hours of google and give a good howto?

[rollo]

Oh cool.. found a Bob Bondurant chapter on it!

http://tinyurl.com/5y9fsa (fingers crossed that it works)

or

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/braking.html

Wow.. graphs.. :eek:

[me_jimmy]

oh, manual abs. why didnt you say so, why so hard to do?

[rollo]

The second post said almost exactly that?

[wr-ecks]

can anyone save us hours of google and give a good howto?


Pumping up and down on the pedal. Old-skool ABS.

usually easier to read the posts before yours before posting... ;-)

Cadence and ABS - the 'almost-lock-to-slow/unlock-to-steer' principle - IMO are well suited to emergency manoevres in roadgoing situations though (e.g. someone pulls out in front of you, or the truck in front drops a bag of cement in your path). You have little-to-no knowledge of the road conditions under you at that point, and your natural reaction is simply to slam on the brakes.

oh ok. when i rallyX and pull the fuse for my abs and have to do a HARD stop cause im going WAY too fast into say a slalom section i do a similar thing so i can continue to steer through sliding.

[me_jimmy]

The second post said almost exactly that?

ive gone blind....http://hem.bredband.net/jimwoo/smilies-filer/freak6.gif

[wr-ecks]

ive gone blind....http://hem.bredband.net/jimwoo/smilies-filer/freak6.gif
too much internet porn. :jack:.


:lol:

[409industries]

oh, manual abs. why didnt you say so, why so hard to do?

Why so hard? well, probably because a computer can do it much faster than any human can (press and release the brakes over and over again)

[williaty]

Not to mention that a computer can do it one wheel at a time. Which, to me, is the ONLY advantage of ABS. 90% of the time, ABS is a hindrance to me. However, if I've got two wheels on tarmac and 2 wheels on gravel/sand and I'm trying to haul the car down to a complete stop as quickly as possible (to get my ticket punched at a control), having the computer automatically brake less hard on the gravel side is a nice trick.