15" Wheels that clear Subaru 4/2 brakes?

[Herbie]

OK, newb post here.

I've got a 2002 WRX wagon, fitted with the Subaru 4pot/2pot setup from an '06 WRX TR.

What (preferably cheap) wheels are available in 15" that will fit these? I've seen the Team Dynamics Rally wheel over these in pictures on this forum. Any others? Not sure I need super-duper tough, but they will get used off-road. (See below for my intended usage)

Background:
I was happily running nice sticky street tires on a set of '99 RS 5-spokes (16x7). Also have a set of 2006 WRX 17" wheels to clear these brakes.

Now that I'm raising the WRX for use as a trailhead approach vehicle, I've since fitted Continental M+S in 205/55-16 for the winter/spring trips to the desert. I was planning to put proper street tires on the 17" wheels and use the 16's as my "trailhead" wheels, but I'm now having second thoughts about tearing up my nice '99 RS wheels since I liked using them on the street (and I like the way they look) and as summer approaches the trailhead roads will be less sand and more rocks/gravel, which seems harder on wheels.

Also, tires? I hate these Conti M+S tires on the street, but the tread-block design works way better than "performance summer" tires on sand. What would be the best tire for "trail approach" usage?*

I'm a little worried about fitting pure rally tires as it'd be nice to take the same wheels for a weekend ski trip, but honestly I hike a lot more than I ski, so if Rally tires are the bees knees for what I'm doing, then so be it.


USAGE:
*(Meaning fit the tires on Friday, drive out on freeway, etc. to local mountains/forest/desert, drive up "4wd recommended" fire roads to trailheads, Spend weekend camping/driving to other trails, come home, refit street tires)


Thanks all!

[Draco-REX]

I forget his name, but there's a blue wagon here that fit BFG A/T tires on his 16" rims I believe. A light truck/jeep tire might be what you're looking for.

[Subie Gal]

rally tires + snow = car off....
I do not recommend rally tires (non snow/ice specific rally tires) in the snow

15" wheels that will clear
speedlines
racelines
basically rally spec racing wheels

possibly late model subaru forester steelies......

those are going to be your only option w/correct offset for those brakes

Jamie http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png (http://www.subiegal.com/)

[lorenkb]

I forget his name, but there's a blue wagon here that fit BFG A/T tires on his 16" rims I believe. A light truck/jeep tire might be what you're looking for.

Are you talking about 06drtywgn? If so those are 15" TD Pro Rally wheels, and required a 1" spacer on the struts to clear.

[409industries]

IIRC they will fit without the spacers (barely) but you need the spacers to have any sort of travel.

[Draco-REX]

Are you talking about 06drtywgn? If so those are 15" TD Pro Rally wheels, and required a 1" spacer on the struts to clear.

IIRC they will fit without the spacers (barely) but you need the spacers to have any sort of travel.
Ahh, thanks for the correction.

[BlackParis]

if all you doing is Sand, and trail heads, then maybe look into getting something in a 27inch size, probably a M/T type tyre... You would need a set of ATLEAST
half inch wheel spacers, Or to get coilovers, cause the 27s end up hitting the spring perch on the stock struts, due to their width...

[Team Illuminata]

The Team Dynamics Pro Race 1 (http://www.teamilluminata.com/Shop/TeamDynamics/TeamDynamics.htm) and Pro Rally 1 (http://www.teamilluminata.com/Shop/TeamDynamics/TeamDynamics.htm) plus what Jamie said are about all that fit over the brakes at 15". You only need the spacers if you are running ridiculous A/T tires.

[Subie Gal]

Know that spacers, yes even 3mm, will put horrible stress on your hubs/wheel bearings

you have been warned :)


Jamie http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png (http://www.subiegal.com/)

[JacksonRally]

The Team Dynamics Pro Race 1 (http://www.teamilluminata.com/Shop/TeamDynamics/TeamDynamics.htm) and Pro Rally 1 (http://www.teamilluminata.com/Shop/TeamDynamics/TeamDynamics.htm) plus what Jamie said are about all that fit over the brakes at 15". You only need the spacers if you are running ridiculous A/T tires.

What you talkin about ridiculous!!! :roll:HaHa, actually I only ran a 1/16th spacer on the rear to get the tire to clear the spring seat.




























:mrgreen: its all good!!

[Team Illuminata]

C'mon. Those tires are ridiculous; in the best possible way!

[Herbie]

Thanks all. I'll look around at those suggestions. I'm not too worried about the wheel bearing implications of using a spacer (if needed), just because these wheels would only be fitted for hiking weekends, maybe a couple of hundred miles a month during peak season.

Cheers.

[Jard]

TD Pro Rally 1 15x6 (+49 offset) will need the 3 or 5mm spacer, but the 15x7 (+53 offset) should not need a spacer.

[Team Illuminata]

TD Pro Rally 1 15x6 (+49 offset) will need the 3 or 5mm spacer, but the 15x7 (+53 offset) should not need a spacer.

Can you explain why? This seems a little counter intuitive.:?

[Jard]

Can you explain why? This seems a little counter intuitive.:?
Higher offset pushes the wheel face farther away from the caliper...

If they made the 15x6 in a +53 offset, they would fit. The highest offset available in the 15x6 is the +49.

[Jard]

These fit too...but it looks like they are closeout and they are almost gone...

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=runWheelSearch&initialPartNumber=PE3502SAT&wheelMake=Sport+Edition&wheelModel=E3&wheelFinish=Bright+Satin+Sil+Paint&showRear=no&autoMake=Subaru&autoModel=Impreza+2.5RS+Sedan&autoYear=2001&autoModClar=&filterSize=15&filterFinish=All&filterSpecial=false&filterBrand=All&filterNew=All&sort=Brand

[Team Illuminata]

I believe it might be the other way round.

[UP2MTNS]

http://www.wheelsforless.com/images/offset1.gif

a 49mm offset should fit....

[UP2MTNS]

Higher offset pushes the wheel face farther away from the caliper...

If they made the 15x6 in a +53 offset, they would fit. The highest offset available in the 15x6 is the +49.

disagree. offset is measured from the mounting surface (constant) to the center of the rim (variable)

so increasing the offset moves the rim farther inside the wheel well, also moving the face of the wheel farther in (unless you increase the width of the rim at the same time).

so a zero or negative offset would give you very deep wheels that stick way out. (on a suby, at least).

so, going from a 7" rim to a 6" in rim would bring the wheel face closer to the calipers....but, they decrease the offset, which pushes the center of the rim OUT (towards the mounting surface) 4mm to help compensate.

so lets see....on the caliper side, that brings the face IN half an inch, or 12.75mm. But they decrease the offset 4mm....so that brings it down to 8.75mm. I'll have to look to see, but I'm sure there's more than 8.75mm (about 1/3") of space between my wheel spokes and calipers.

[BlackParis]

+45 is alot of offset... I would think that would hit 4pots... stock wheels are what ? +35 ??

10mm increase would mean the caliper is now .4 inches closer to the back of the face of the wheel....

I wouldn't think those wheels from tire-rack would fit...

Up-2 I like that diagram :D

[UP2MTNS]

noooo....stock offset is much higher than that....from scoobymods:
http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3992&d=1118708586

this is for an 04 WRX/STI

lots more diagrams here:
http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2930

[Jard]

disagree. offset is measured from the mounting surface (constant) to the center of the rim (variable)

so increasing the offset moves the rim farther inside the wheel well, also moving the face of the wheel farther in (unless you increase the width of the rim at the same time).

so a zero or negative offset would give you very deep wheels that stick way out. (on a suby, at least).

so, going from a 7" rim to a 6" in rim would bring the wheel face closer to the calipers....but, they decrease the offset, which pushes the center of the rim OUT (towards the mounting surface) 4mm to help compensate.

so lets see....on the caliper side, that brings the face IN half an inch, or 12.75mm. But they decrease the offset 4mm....so that brings it down to 8.75mm. I'll have to look to see, but I'm sure there's more than 8.75mm (about 1/3") of space between my wheel spokes and calipers.
http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_specs.jsp

I was using a 195/65-15 tire on both sides for comparison sake. Put a 15x6 +49 on the left and a 15x7 +53 on the right. Play with the offset on the 15x7 and see what happens (take it down to +49 then back up to +53).

I'm not saying that the 15x7 +53 fit for sure...I just think they will.

I KNOW that the 15x6 +49 will not fit on 4 pots without a spacer. I test fit them in my garage with my own two hands and eyes.

[UP2MTNS]

http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_specs.jsp

I was using a 195/65-15 tire on both sides for comparison sake. Put a 15x6 +49 on the left and a 15x7 +53 on the right. Play with the offset on the 15x7 and see what happens (take it down to +49 then back up to +53).


another image for you:
http://images.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0205scc_wheelguide01_zoom.jpg
you were trying to compare offsets while changing the width of the rim....that's a no no.

once again, the LOWER offset gives you MORE room for brakes. (see above....positive offset pushes the face of the wheel out).

with your situation, 49mm offset gave you less space because you had a narrower rim, which brought the face of the wheel in more than the offset pushed it out.




I'm not saying that the 15x7 +53 fit for sure...I just think they will.

I KNOW that the 15x6 +49 will not fit on 4 pots without a spacer. I test fit them in my garage with my own two hands and eyes.

yeah, since I don't have 4 pots, I don't know how much larger (wider) they are than stock WRX brakes.

[Jard]

Yes, the issue is that the 4 pots are wider and the regular WRX brakes are taller.

[BlackParis]

Yes, the issue is that the 4 pots are wider and the regular WRX brakes are taller.

:roll:

the rotor is the same diameter/part #... how are they "taller" ??? the thickness of the caliper that goes over top? They seem to be damn close.. may 2mm difference? I would have thought the 4-pots were "taller"

[Jard]

:roll:

the rotor is the same diameter/part #... how are they "taller" ??? the thickness of the caliper that goes over top? They seem to be damn close.. may 2mm difference? I would have thought the 4-pots were "taller"
:roll: ?

The WRX caliper is "taller" and sits up higher toward the fender lip. The 4 pot caliper is "wider" and sits out farther toward the face of the wheel. The 4 pot is not as "tall."

[Team Illuminata]

That's a cool demo. Now, if only we could super-impose the car on there.

BTW we have TD profiles on our wheel site that you can print out on stiff paper, cut out at your desired offset and test fit over your brakes. Crude but effective.

http://www.teamilluminata.com./Shop/TeamDynamics/TeamDynamics.htm

[strat]

general makes the grabber at2 in 215/65/16 should you choose to run the 16" wheels you have. i ran them on my legacy wagon with outback struts/springs and they were great offroad

[BlackParis]

LOL... thats what I had.. general grabbers at-2 :P 235/75r15

http://a394.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/21/l_353f20d32e699ebb53207820b7bdb9d9.jpg

[VMethos]

another image for you:
http://images.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0205scc_wheelguide01_zoom.jpg


I don't think the offset calculation in that diagram is correct is it?

Shouldn't the Offset = Backspace - (Width/2)

That way... if the backspace were 1/2 the width... the offset would be zero, just like it is in the middle image of the diagram.

Edit:
As an example...
If the backspace were half of a 6" wheel
Diagram's formula: Offset = (6 - 3)/2 = 1.5"
My formula: Offset = 3 - (6/2) = 0

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Herbie]

general makes the grabber at2 in 215/65/16 should you choose to run the 16" wheels you have. i ran them on my legacy wagon with outback struts/springs and they were great offroad

Wow. No rubbing? That's more than 2" more diameter than the stock tire, I'd have thought something would be rubbing somewhere.

My OBS springs only gave me about a 1/2" lift vs. WRX springs. I do have a lot of gap under there, but I'll have to check for clearance to the strut body on the rears as it is...

[UP2MTNS]

I don't think the offset calculation in that diagram is correct is it?

Shouldn't the Offset = Backspace - (Width/2)

That way... if the backspace were 1/2 the width... the offset would be zero, just like it is in the middle image of the diagram.

Edit:
As an example...
If the backspace were half of a 6" wheel
Diagram's formula: Offset = (6 - 3)/2 = 1.5"
My formula: Offset = 3 - (6/2) = 0

Correct me if I'm wrong.

nice catch...what's funny is where I got that image has the correct equation under the thumbnail:
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0205scc_wheel_tech_guide/index.html

but when you click on it to make it bigger, its copies out of some other source that has the wrong equation.

[BlackParis]

Wow. No rubbing? That's more than 2" more diameter than the stock tire, I'd have thought something would be rubbing somewhere.

My OBS springs only gave me about a 1/2" lift vs. WRX springs. I do have a lot of gap under there, but I'll have to check for clearance to the strut body on the rears as it is...

215/65r16 AND 215/70r15 should clear the rear struts, atleast by adding 1/16th in wheel-spacer or using wheels with less offset...

In my pictures with the 235/75r15 (about 29inches diameter) I was lowered one inch, had 1inch wheel spacers, and had coilovers... and removed the stock spring perch from the struts... The only times it rubbed were really hard bumps (inner fender), and @ FULL steering lock, it just rubbed my front rally-armor flaps... If it were lifted and no mud-flaps, then they would have worked great ;)

[strat]

215/65/16's went under my legacy with no issues (other than slight rubbing at full lock). keep in mind though the outback struts lift the car due to the lower spring perches being mounted higher on the strut body.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/strat81/e6e65589.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/strat81/1094e91f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/strat81/cae81228.jpg

sometimes i really miss that car

[StanBo]

Herbie could you take a measurement of your calipers?

I would think measuring from the face of the rotor to the outter edge of the caliper would give us the clearance needed for the caliper. From there we can order the wheels that we need.

Know that spacers, yes even 3mm, will put horrible stress on your hubs/wheel bearings

you have been warned :)


Jamie http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png (http://www.subiegal.com/)

Am I nuts or is this just a Subaru thing? I come from Nissans where a 15x6.5 is replaced with 17x9 front and 17x10 rear in negative offsets and the bearings hold up fine. Then again they are on a 5x114.3.

How much are oem bearings? I don't know where I will be in a while with my trans so knowing what this will all cost will help.

The Team Dynamics Pro Race 1 (http://www.teamilluminata.com/Shop/TeamDynamics/TeamDynamics.htm) and Pro Rally 1 (http://www.teamilluminata.com/Shop/TeamDynamics/TeamDynamics.htm) plus what Jamie said are about all that fit over the brakes at 15". You only need the spacers if you are running ridiculous A/T tires.

Is the 15x7 E+48 available? I went to your site and see that you advertise the full offset range.

I am ready to snap up a set but I am super exact with parts. I hate getting stuff that doesn't fit.

[JacksonRally]

I'm trying to remember for the life of me the offset that I have. I know it should be stamped into the wheel but none of mine are. I guess I could always measure. The only reason I am using a spacer (rear only) is be cause my tires are larger diameter and the rears slightly rub the lower spring seat on the struts (now that the tires are slightly worn I've taken the spacers off, plus they were only 1/16th thick). Other than that spacers are not needed to clear the 4-pots.

[UP2MTNS]

Is the 15x7 E+48 available? I went to your site and see that you advertise the full offset range.

I am ready to snap up a set but I am super exact with parts. I hate getting stuff that doesn't fit.

ohhhhh....group buy? I need a set too, but $190/each is expensive....I wish the dollar would pick back up!


btw, bearings from Kragen or whatever aren't too bad...about $60ea. plus seals. I had to do one last year. From the dealership, a bit more I think. I'll probably replace the other 3 before I cage the car.

[StanBo]

ohhhhh....group buy? I need a set too, but $190/each is expensive....I wish the dollar would pick back up!


btw, bearings from Kragen or whatever aren't too bad...about $60ea. plus seals. I had to do one last year. From the dealership, a bit more I think. I'll probably replace the other 3 before I cage the car.

Searching online I found a site that sells TD wheels with these specs (for subarus):

Pro Rally 1 15x7 5x100 e40 black - Subaru

The price is 179.99 per wheel.

If you guys want to do some sort of group buy I am down for it.

I want a dedicated set of rally wheels and tires. If the wheel that clears the 4pots is ready now I will snap up a set. I have been part of groupbuys and haven't saved much while waiting 6 months for wheels :shock:.

[StanBo]

I'm trying to remember for the life of me the offset that I have. I know it should be stamped into the wheel but none of mine are. I guess I could always measure. The only reason I am using a spacer (rear only) is be cause my tires are larger diameter and the rears slightly rub the lower spring seat on the struts (now that the tires are slightly worn I've taken the spacers off, plus they were only 1/16th thick). Other than that spacers are not needed to clear the 4-pots.

I noticed that on some of the wheels at Summit Point. There was an area for the offset stamping but it wasn't there.

Any chance you still have the boxes? The offset and sizing is usually printed on there.

[strat]

i'd be up for a group buy as well... but id need a month or so to get the money around... (aka wait till after the tax rebate checks go out) ;)

[JacksonRally]

I noticed that on some of the wheels at Summit Point. There was an area for the offset stamping but it wasn't there.

Any chance you still have the boxes? The offset and sizing is usually printed on there.


Thats the problem, I don't have the boxes, don't know where the receipt is and they are not stamped, and now I don't have my car cause it is getting worked on.

[bisonjr]

SMS has what they recommend on thier site. I have always used this as a guide.http://www.rallylights.com/Hankook/TDRallyWheels.asp

*but it does say 02> so... hmm.....

[Team Illuminata]

Is the 15x7 E+48 available? I went to your site and see that you advertise the full offset range.


Only +53 in white or silver in stock right now.

We can do a group buy at 5% off.

[StanBo]

Only +53 in white or silver in stock right now.

We can do a group buy at 5% off.

I emailed you from the site. I have the parts I think I need I would just like some direction if possible.

Thanks for the 5% off it is all helpful!

Stanley

[Herbie]

Herbie could you take a measurement of your calipers?

I would think measuring from the face of the rotor to the outter edge of the caliper would give us the clearance needed for the caliper. From there we can order the wheels that we need.



I'll try to get a measurement this weekend. Wifey will be out of the house for a while so I'm allowed to play in the garage... :tongue:


As for myself, it looks like I'll be sticking with 16" wheels for a while, since I just scored another set of 16x7 2.5RS wheels off craigslist. 15" would give me better tire choices, but at $100 for a set of four (yes, $25/wheel), it was too good to pass up.

[westy2005]

15x7 +53 clears 4POTs.....I was told that the 15x6 would not clear 4 pots, in any offset....has to be the 15x7 +53...

[Team Illuminata]

15x7 +53 clears 4POTs.....I was told that the 15x6 would not clear 4 pots, in any offset....has to be the 15x7 +53...

It's not quite so definitive as that. I am sure if a 15x7 +53 will clear than anything else will as all the potential interference bits will be further out and thus further away from the caliper.

If you have some 4 pots on your car why not try downloading some of the templates from our site and test fitting those on your setup then let me know what works and what doesn't. I only have access to 4 pots ocassionally and have test fitted one or two combinations without anything rubbing so far.

15x6 : http://www.teamilluminata.com./Shop/TeamDynamics/91560_e12_e49.pdf

15x7 : http://www.teamilluminata.com./Shop/TeamDynamics/91570_e23_53.pdf

wheels : http://www.teamilluminata.com./Shop/TeamDynamics/TeamDynamics.htm

[UP2MTNS]

15x7 +53 clears 4POTs.....I was told that the 15x6 would not clear 4 pots, in any offset....has to be the 15x7 +53...\

if 15x7 +53 clears, then doing the math, 15x6 +40 should clear also.

[PawnOne]

Ok I understand that a 6in wheel with an offset of 0 would work out like this 6/2=3 then 3-backspace (3)=0 or 6/2=3-3=0

But when I use a wheel I have the spec for which is a 16x7 with +40 of offset when I measured the backspace it came out to about 5.7in

Now the wheel is 7in so if we do the math 7/2=3.5 then 5.7-3.5=2.2 now how do you get the +40 out of 2.2

I am just trying to understand how this works.

And does that mean that no matter what company makes the wheel, what style the wheel, or size of the wheel is +40 offset is +40 offset. In other words if I have a 15X7 and a 16X7 and the offset is +40 on both they should both work Wright?

And if so then if I found a set of 15X7in wheels with a +40 offset same as my 16s then what would stop me from using the 15s. I am talking about the regular street wheels you know the ones at like discount or big o tire or even the old black steel wheel on so many compact cars out there.

And isn’t that what this thread started as any way. I like the Team Dynamics as well. But I think he was just looking for some cheep wheels. And I know I have seen some people running street wheels with rally tires in rallyX but I don’t think I have seen any imprezas doing this though, mostly Hondas and VWs so I don’t know why it wouldn’t work on a Subaru.

Although I do know that the stock 16in wheels off my brothers 02wrx wouldn’t fit over the front calipers on my 06 but that doesn't mean aftermarket 15s wouldn’t or does it?

[WayBack]

Thanks all. I'll look around at those suggestions. I'm not too worried about the wheel bearing implications of using a spacer (if needed), just because these wheels would only be fitted for hiking weekends, maybe a couple of hundred miles a month during peak season.

Cheers.Hiking season is year round, don't hate on the winter. ;)
I'v been seeking answers to this exact question, Herbie, but I want rally tires for rally purposes. ;) The Yokohama Geolander and Nokian Hakkapeliitta snows are what you want for 16" wheels. There's not much out there for 16's, but what is out there is good.

I'm told you can get more common rims over the brakes if you grind material off of the calipers. How much, I don't know.

PS, you and I have the same brakes, same part numbers.

[Team Illuminata]

Ok I understand that a 6in wheel with an offset of 0 would work out like this 6/2=3 then 3-backspace (3)=0 or 6/2=3-3=0

But when I use a wheel I have the spec for which is a 16x7 with +40 of offset when I measured the backspace it came out to about 5.7in

Now the wheel is 7in so if we do the math 7/2=3.5 then 5.7-3.5=2.2 now how do you get the +40 out of 2.2

I am just trying to understand how this works.

And does that mean that no matter what company makes the wheel, what style the wheel, or size of the wheel is +40 offset is +40 offset. In other words if I have a 15X7 and a 16X7 and the offset is +40 on both they should both work Wright?

And if so then if I found a set of 15X7in wheels with a +40 offset same as my 16s then what would stop me from using the 15s. I am talking about the regular street wheels you know the ones at like discount or big o tire or even the old black steel wheel on so many compact cars out there.

And isn’t that what this thread started as any way. I like the Team Dynamics as well. But I think he was just looking for some cheep wheels. And I know I have seen some people running street wheels with rally tires in rallyX but I don’t think I have seen any imprezas doing this though, mostly Hondas and VWs so I don’t know why it wouldn’t work on a Subaru.

Although I do know that the stock 16in wheels off my brothers 02wrx wouldn’t fit over the front calipers on my 06 but that doesn't mean aftermarket 15s wouldn’t or does it?


Pawnone,

Perhaps your issue with the wheel geometry is linked to the fact that offset is measured using the functional dimension of internal rim width and the back space is measured using the outside dimension.

As for you wondering why regular Sube 15" rims can't be used it is because of the location of the tire well; the dip in the rim that allows the tire to be mounted. On many oem and aftermarket rims it is too far inboard to clear the subaru calpers. TD rims and a few other aftermarket rims locate this well further out giving the necessary clearance.

Aren't wheels complicated. No wonder it took humans so long to invent them and why I have a headache on an almost permanent basis. Maybe I should just sell neon light kits on eBay.

[RA Limited]

http://search1.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/search/auc?p=GC8&auccat=2084008484&alocale=0jp&acc=jp

here is a quick search on Yahoo.jp auctions for 15" wheels that work on GC8's.
The Enkei ES-Gravels (http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k51047472) are 6.5J +50, and he specifically says they clear 4-pots. These are one of the "easier" wheels in japan to find for this application, but they still only turn up every now and then. There are also some compomotives up right now.

Here (http://page11.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n64398240)is a set of gold Enkei's with tires, mounted on a GC8. Damn i wish i had the money to get these right now.

[westy2005]

FYI- 15X7+53 CLEAR 4POT's....proof on my car...see my journal!

[Team Illuminata]

Now yer talkin'

[carl]

bump, can we get a clearer list of wheels that actually clear the 4/2 pots? this thread has a lot of confusing contradictory posts regarding offset and such lol. I just want to know some 15" wheels that will clear!

[lorenkb]

bump, can we get a clearer list of wheels that actually clear the 4/2 pots? this thread has a lot of confusing contradictory posts regarding offset and such lol. I just want to know some 15" wheels that will clear!

The following will work for sure, I run the same on my 07 wagon.
FYI- 15X7+53 CLEAR 4POT's....proof on my car...see my journal!

[Hypnotk]

Does anyone know for sure what offset fits over 4/2 pots with a 15x6 rim? I've read through this thread and it looks like +40 might but does anyone know for sure?

[RA Limited]

i recently bought a set of 15x6.5 +45 Enkei's and they totally didn't clear my 4/2 pots. They were super close to clearing the 4 pots, but i didn't want to grind the calipers.

[Team Illuminata]

15x6 at +40 clear.

15x6 at other offsets-you need to check with our profile guages as we have not test fitted yet. Anyone up for it? Free set of lug nuts to the first to verify-
http://www.teamilluminata.com./Shop/TeamDynamics/profiles.htm
http://www.teamilluminata.com./Shop/TeamDynamics/91560_e12_e49.pdf


15x7 at +53 to +40 clear i.e. all Subaru offsets

[Team Illuminata]

Oh, and now these fit too:

http://www.teamilluminata.com./Shop/Braid/winracetsse.gif http://www.teamilluminata.com./Shop/Braid/winracetasafari.gif http://www.teamilluminata.com./Shop/Braid/winraceta15.jpg

http://www.teamilluminata.com./Shop/Braid/Braid.htm

[CJM]

Woo Hoo! It's good to know that you've test fit the Braid wheels. What brake setup were they tested on?

[Team Illuminata]

Woo Hoo! It's good to know that you've test fit the Braid wheels. What brake setup were they tested on?

Actually I am looking for some test fit volunteers as I have only overlayed their profile with the TD ones so far. Anyone?

I am "assurred" they fit over all WRX brakes though.

[paktinat]

So If I were in the market for some 15"s, would you recommend the braid winrace ta 15x6 over the TD pro rally 1 15x6?

I;m curious to the comparison.

[Team Illuminata]

So If I were in the market for some 15"s, would you recommend the braid winrace ta 15x6 over the TD pro rally 1 15x6?

I;m curious to the comparison.

Personally yes. Most of the US stock of Pro Race 1 is non hub centric and without steel lug inserts. The TA are stronger and IMHO better looking too. That's what I'll be using this year in white :).

If you like gold rims then the Acropolis is actually cheaper than the other colors!

[04trailsti]

TIM... so you seem like ya know what your talkin about. are there rims that fit over 4 pots without spacers at all. other than actual rally style rims. im sure i could find it in this mess of "your wrong im right" thread but i just kinda want a straight answer.

[Team Illuminata]

There probably are some out there but I don't know of any. There wasa Sport Edition rim from TireRack that was reported to fit but it has been discontinued.

[PawnOne]

I know it sounds like hard work or even like you may brake something but if you take your time grinding the front calipers isnt that hard and it will not hurt your car. infact its pretty common in the VW and Honda racing Scene. I only mention it because I own an 06 WRX and I went through the whole searching for 15's thing and found that almost all 15's are just a little to small for the brakes. I broke down and ground my calipers and now I can fit just about any 15 on my car and I only took off maybe 1 to 2mm from the front of the front calipers. I did a write up on it at flat4motorsports.net the link below should take you right to it. hope this helps someone.

http://www.phpbbplanet.com/flat4moto...lat4motorsport (http://www.phpbbplanet.com/flat4motorsport/viewtopic.php?t=35&mforum=flat4motorsport)

or you could do what my brother did and go get the team dynamics I tested them on my 06 and they fit just fine.

[wr-ecks]

I stuck some 15x7 raceline wheels (type 126) on the front of my car. (4pots) The wheels were so close to fitting that they bolted on over the caliper just wouldnt turn since they were touching the caliper. Little bit of grinding would do it easy.

and these wheels retail at around 80 bucks from les schwab.

http://www.racelinewheels.com/p-211-type-126-mirror-black.aspx

[Team Illuminata]

Eighty bucks! That's a very good price. I doubt that would even cover the cost of the aluminium to make the things. I didn't see a 15x7 there either. How strong are these? Maybe I'm getting conservative in my old age but something about the thought of grinding calipers makes me cringe. I'll stick to purpose built, designed to fit, tried and true competition wheels on our cars thank you.

[wr-ecks]

Oh dont get me wrong, Im not gonna do it... In a few weeks Im gonna order Real Rally wheels that I dont have to worry about. I have seen trucks that were mud bogging get rocks stuck between the caliper and wheel and tear apart both so I would think its probably not best to have that little clearance between the 2.
They don't have them advertised on their website at all and as far as I know its not on Les Schwabs either but they do stock them. We have 2 sets in my Les Schwab. If you think 80 bucks is cheap, you should see what my cost is.... :)
But this is what the OP wanted to know so I figured Id put it out there.

[carl]

I stuck some 15x7 raceline wheels (type 126) on the front of my car. (4pots) The wheels were so close to fitting that they bolted on over the caliper just wouldnt turn since they were touching the caliper. Little bit of grinding would do it easy.

and these wheels retail at around 80 bucks from les schwab.

http://www.racelinewheels.com/p-211-type-126-mirror-black.aspx
i would break those 2 turns into a stage rally lol

[wr-ecks]

i would break those 2 turns into a stage rally lol

I was thinking they might hold up to RallyX though, considering my 70 dollar 17" wheels are only a little bent from about a dozen RallyX's and countless "playin around" on forest service roads. (I've ruined about 6 tires that were mounted on these wheels) Not to mention they are about 3 years old now.

[saturn]

older (early 90s) "flat" Legacy wheels (15x6?) will fit and look pretty "rally"

http://images.fixya.com/S/Subaru/177x150/21651245.jpg


also some VW wheels will fit but you'll need some hubcentric spacers

[Team Illuminata]

older (early 90s) "flat" Legacy wheels (15x6?) will fit and look pretty "rally"

http://images.fixya.com/S/Subaru/177x150/21651245.jpg


also some VW wheels will fit but you'll need some hubcentric spacers

wont the VW wheels give you some wicked extrame offset though? Like +35 pwrhaps.

[carl]

wont the VW wheels give you some wicked extrame offset though? Like +35 pwrhaps.
hella flush rallycar lol

[flat4motorsports]

heres what we did on our 06
some of you may say what the hell would I want 15 inch on my car wheels for it came with 17s on it and 16s fit just fine. Well the idea in rally is to get the bead of the tire and the rim as far from the gravel as you can and 15s are about as far as you can go on a subaru. on the other hand if you look for 16 or even 17 inch rally tires you will have a hard time finding them and the 17s will most likely be tarmac tires. the problem that you will most likely run into is that the 15s dont clear the calipers in the front.

you could put spacers in and extend you lugs but then you will need huge mud flaps that no one sells, or the open lugs will just get grit in and sooner or later you will be the guy with the street tires in mod4 after you snapped a lug or just couldnt get one or two lugs off. yea thats what i said get your lugs off .

Now you can go out and buy some rally rims that fit right out of the box which is what we did with two of our cars.not everyone can aford rally rims and they only make so many a year.the TeamDynamics ProRally wheels pretty huh and they fit just fine on my 02 and 05 , but we could only get enough tires for two sets.and we stuill had to put shoes on the 06

http://i42.tinypic.com/idbojo.jpg

if you have an STI you will have to do alot more work to get 15s on your car and not even rally rims will clear the giant brakes on the sti. most people downgrade to WRX Brakes. lots of work!

what I had to do was..

first look for some good cheep rims. craigs list or ebay of course - after market is best as the after market wheels will have the vally pushed as far foward as it can be. the vally is that indentation on the inside of the rim it aids in removal and installation of tires.

then I ground my calipers to fit the new rims. you may say why but this is pretty common in the honda and VW race scene. besides if you drive your car on any dirt roads rocks and gravel are going to scratch those pretty calipers anyway and you will only be taking a couple slivers off about 2 to 3mm thick and about 1.5 inch long from the front of the calipars.

http://i39.tinypic.com/21adcux.jpg

the next image is the finished caliper I ground more off the front edge than needed this was just to give more clearance for mud lots of mud and gravel and to smooth out the grinding. I forgot to take a pic after I painted the caliper but you get the idea just go get caliper paint from autozone and clean things up.

http://i41.tinypic.com/xcqcqr.jpg

and there you go the new wheel are now ready to get dirty...

http://i40.tinypic.com/25zgetz.jpg
:lol:[/quote]

[Slim]

This is a set of 96-99 Legacy Sedan rims. They are stage rally proven. I'm pretty sure they will clear with grinded calipers, but I cannot confirm 100% (second hand knowledge). I know that they will clear the reg WRX calipers with plenty of clearance. (Had to edit post to due to uncertainty of 2nd hand knowledge.
http://www.onalimbracing.com/photos/2009_Susquehannock_Trail_Rally/hIMG_3409.jpg

-Slim

[flat4motorsports]

finally someone who knows what ols suby rims will fit!! thanks for the info. the hunt begins for some leagacy rims!!:headbang: i have tried forester , old impreza, even outback rims they fit the lugs but not the brakes. slim you rock !!

[Slim]

I just called up a buddy to double check, and those rims are 96-99 Legacy Sedan only rims. He said he's pretty sure they clear with slightly grinded front calipers, but couldn't confirm fitment without grinding. I have seen them on lots of of pre 06 WRX's but then we're talking different brakes.

Sorry for the uncertainty. I'm editing my previous post due to lack of first hand fitment results.:cry:

[c3hammer]

Sorry for the odd ball post, but the 15x7 Team Dynamics Pro Race 1's fit 2 pot 2005 - 2008 Outback brakes by a ton. I can't imagine that these wouldn't fit over just about anything out there. I don't have tires for these yet, but I'm getting closer to having them ready to mount up.

Cheers,
Pete

[jjkob]

wil legacy rims fit an 05 sti if you grind the calipers? do you loose any structural integrity?

[ckcadavona]

I just called up a buddy to double check, and those rims are 96-99 Legacy Sedan only rims. He said he's pretty sure they clear with slightly grinded front calipers, but couldn't confirm fitment without grinding. I have seen them on lots of of pre 06 WRX's but then we're talking different brakes.

Sorry for the uncertainty. I'm editing my previous post due to lack of first hand fitment results.:cry:

I know this post is a year+ old but I tried fitting these wheels on my impreza with 2 pot wrx /pre 06 wrx calipers and they DO NOT fit by a ton. It looks like it would take a lot of grinding to get these wheels to fit. I'm thinking that the pre 06 calipers came in a few different types and some are larger then others. Can anyone confirm this? If so, what year WRX calilper do I need to clear these wheels? I can post pics later this week.

[WAGONLOVE]

it doesnt take a lot of grinding, pre 06 calipers are all the same. no wrx caliper without grinding will clear it.

[FlatBlack]

http://www.onalimbracing.com/photos/2009_Susquehannock_Trail_Rally/hIMG_3409.jpg

those rims are 96-99 Legacy Sedan only rims.

Uhhh BG Outback Wagons came with them as well. I had a 97. Took the wheels, mounted some gravels and now they are on my OBS.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh81/flatblack280/NWAMS/PIC-0195.jpg