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ankyle62
12-16-2007, 12:31 AM
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article3016139.ece

Most people know the barebones history of rock’n’roll – some black men sang the blues but no one in white America would buy their music because it was the 1950s and, well, that sort of thing didn’t happen.

Eventually, though, the music made it to England, where the misery of it struck a chord with working-class lads. Bands such as the Animals and the Rolling Stones copied it, and they did succeed in America, because, bluntly, Mick Jagger is white.

The thing is, though, I’ve never been able to see the link. I’ve listened to those crackly blues records from Memphis and I’ve listened to Jumpin’ Jack Flash and they appear to have nothing in common. Genetically, they seem as distant from each other as the sausage dog and the Magimix.

But the other night, while listening to a Radio 2 show, I heard a song from 1956 called Smokestack Lightning, and the DJs explained how you could hear the genesis of the Stones in there. They were right – you could. For me, this was a revelation.

And then they started talking about famous fathers and sons who have appeared in bands together. Which is exactly the sort of trivial nonsense I adore. And then they played Sylvia by Focus and I began to think that I’d discovered a radio show designed exclusively for me. It was brilliant – so brilliant that I deliberately got lost so that I could hear more.

It’s hosted by two chaps called Stuart Maconie and Mark Radcliffe, and because they have exactly the same Lancashire accent and exactly the same views on everything, you’ll think – as I did at first – that it’s actually hosted by one man talking to himself. No matter. Their knowledge of music is astonishing. I thought I was the only person alive who could name the guitarist with Focus but they actually know where he was born, where he went to school and, I shouldn’t be surprised, what position his mother was in when he was conceived.

But these guys aren’t anoraks – they are way beyond that. They are the people to whom people who make anoraks go to buy their anoraks. And they serve as a hugely useful introduction to this morning’s sermon: the ongoing battle between the Subaru (http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2119257#) Impreza and the Mitsubishi Evo.

To normal people, who see cars (http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2119257#) as wheels, seats and expense, they are exactly the same, built in Japan as road-going versions of rally cars. To the untrained eye, they are indistinguishable one from the other. They are Ant and Dec, or, if you prefer, Maconie and Radcliffe.

They both have 2 litre turbocharged engines. They both have four-wheel drive (http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2119257#) and they are the same sort of size. Each is a family car (http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2119257#) with the heart and mind of an axe murderer. But to the trained eye they are not the same at all. To an anorak they really are chalk and cheese. They are Bad Company and Gareth Gates.

Last week, while plugging my new DVD on a morning TV show, I was approached by a young girl with earphones and a clipboard. Externally, she was much the same as any other behind-the-scenes girl in modern television. But she began, immediately, by telling me she had an Impreza . . . and I knew it wasn’t going to stop there.

“It’s the WRX STi RB5 two-door, PLS, SST . . .” she said for about half an hour. After which she still wasn’t finished: “994, PSP, Wii, LTD,” she continued. And on, and on . . . And that was before she even got to her boyfriend’s Subaru, which led to another two hours of initials and numbers.

This is the thing with Subaru ownership: every last detail matters. Every tiny piece of the water-injection jigsaw is more important than your child’s next breath. You don’t own a car like this, you are assimilated by it. You become one.

With men I find this tiresome. But with girls I find it very sexy. So as this girl rabbited on with ever more initials and numbers, I was overwhelmed by a need to introduce her to a friend of mine who has a Mitsubishi Evo 9. This is the only girl in the world who put a topless photograph of herself on her Facebook page. I would love to see them argue about which is the better car. With a bit of luck, it might even end up in a fight.

I’m not going to say one is better than the other, because if I do, fans of the losing side will come to my house with crosses, petrol and much rage. But as an impartial observer I will say this: the Mitsubishi has always been the better to drive (http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2119257#); the Subaru has always been the better to live with on a daily basis.

And that brings us on to the new Subaru Impreza WRX. In petrol-land this is one of the most important cars ever. Imagine a band comprising Mick Jagger, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Phil Collins and bits of Radiohead. That’s what this car is like to petrolheads. A pivotal, must-have moment of a car. Like its predecessor it has a turbocharged engine, 227bhp on tap and four-wheel drive. But unlike its predecessor, it has a 2.5 litre engine and a hatchback body, and it’s no longer bland to behold. Instead it’s wilfully ugly.

I honestly began to imagine that it had been designed in a game of consequences: “You do the back, then fold the paper over. I’ll do the middle and we’ll get that drunk bloke to do the front.” It’s a hopeless mishmash that gets even worse when you step inside. This is a £20,000 car, and for that price you get a heater and . . . that’s about it. Honestly, I was amazed when I found it had dipping headlamps. An Aga has more buttons than this. And as a result, anyone who just wants a “nice hot hatch” will instead opt for a Golf GTI.

The Subaru enthusiast, however, will see the lack of equipment as a good thing. Equipment is weight. Weight blunts acceleration. Weight is bad.

Hmmm. This is undoubtedly true, but from the moment you set off you realise this is not set up to be a Lotus Elise with a hatchback. It is super-soft. Much softer than its predecessor. Much softer than a duck-down duvet. It glides like a Citroën.

Then there’s the noise. Or rather there isn’t. The flat-four engine just hums away quietly to itself and, if anything, sounds rather exasperated if you weld your foot to the floor and head for the rev-counter red zone.

And if you do head for the red zone, you will find that the natural tendency is for understeer. It was ever thus in an Impreza: it was one of the things that made it a more rewarding day-to-day companion than the furious and twitchy Evo. But in the new car (http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2119257#) the understeer arrives too early, and then you fall out of the seat. No, really. There are kitchen chairs with noticeably more side support.

This car is called Subaru Impreza, which makes you think it will be a bare-knuckle attack dog. But in fact you get a soft and rather elderly labrador.

Oh it’s still pretty quick: 0-62mph is dealt with in 6.5sec and the top speed is lots. But because of the understeer, the soft ride and the kitchen chairs, you never feel inclined to go for it. There’s no sense at all that you’re in a road-going rally car. It doesn’t even have a six-speed box.

Of course, being a Subaru, it will be beautifully made, and it really is extremely comfortable (http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2119257#), and quiet. But anyone drawn to these qualities will immediately be put off by the looks and the starter-handle-and-trafficator equipment levels. It is, in short, a car that appeals to no one.

My friend with the clipboard and headphones was talking about it as though God himself had gone over to the dark side. “What am I to do?” she wailed, as I imagined her naked with my friend Camilla in a big box of mud.

It’s a good point. If you are a Subaru fan, what are you to do? Sure, there is a 300bhp STi version of the WRX in the pipeline, and this will be harder and more focused. But it’s no looker either, and the fact of the matter is this: the next Evo, the 10, is. The battle, then, between the Impreza and the Evo – it just got one-sided.

james.c.obrien
12-16-2007, 06:43 AM
I could read this guy's stuff all day long. Nice find!

MBasile
12-16-2007, 08:45 AM
hahaha, I love how about 1/3 of it is actually about the car!

409industries
12-16-2007, 02:52 PM
Oh it’s still pretty quick: 0-62mph is dealt with in 6.5sec and the top speed is lots. But because of the understeer, the soft ride and the kitchen chairs, you never feel inclined to go for it. There’s no sense at all that you’re in a road-going rally car. It doesn’t even have a six-speed box.

That is one thing i noticed right away watching even the STi version cruise around the autocross track. Excessive body roll and understeer. I think soft is an understatement for this car out of the box!

ankyle62
12-16-2007, 07:36 PM
I could read this guy's stuff all day long. Nice find!
yeah, i love watching top gear for his commentary.

RS-ti_Andy
12-16-2007, 08:04 PM
wow this is soo awesome! and like woah and i like how he was listening and thinking about her naked lol! sounds like me! yes good find!

bfrancis827
12-16-2007, 08:10 PM
Jeremy Clarkson is great. I love watching Top Gear. Nice find.

Savenfiddy
06-30-2008, 02:50 PM
That is one thing i noticed right away watching even the STi version cruise around the autocross track. Excessive body roll and understeer. I think soft is an understatement for this car out of the box!

yea i test drove an 08 sti and quite frankly id rather drive my 07 TR, but hey to each their own

Savenfiddy
07-03-2008, 11:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FYrMeBeBo8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yZPRfm4s8E&feature=related

WRXCMM
07-04-2008, 12:23 AM
^^^^that is funny....shoe in mouth...lol, i love it...


i still don't like the understeer...

Street Pirate
07-04-2008, 11:12 AM
clarkson is right thought. the evo is a better car. the new STI just misses on so many points. and as far as looks go the new STI is one of the ugliest cars on the road...and not ugly in a mean I want to eat you children short of way.

dropdfocus
07-05-2008, 10:43 AM
So dissapointed on Subaru's suspension design this model year. Both Ken Block & Travis Pastrana blew out their rear suspensions at the STPR in Wellsboro this year. Parts failed and things came apart. Travis limped his back to service & Ken had to be towed in after losing his entire hub assembly.

More & more, I'm at the point that I don't really want to purchase a new Subaru any time soon. I'll stick with the good old tried & true models!

Azewaldo
07-05-2008, 05:33 PM
I almost cried at the 6:45-7:15 portion of this clip:

_Gr0NWSDX1Q

dropdfocus
07-05-2008, 05:58 PM
Yes, but that FQ360 model had 360bhp vs. the 300bhp of the STi. Unfair advantage really. That's why they used the 300bhp model against the Subaru in the timed track lap (which by some form of witch craft, Subaru won...).

Street Pirate
07-06-2008, 09:36 AM
why doesnt subaru have a more powerful motor to compete? this will never make sense to me. also you have to remember this is a total new re-design and there are bound to be many problems. hopefully they will make it better, i know they are disappointed by the current sales figures.

Savenfiddy
07-06-2008, 09:42 AM
why doesnt subaru have a more powerful motor to compete? this will never make sense to me. also you have to remember this is a total new re-design and there are bound to be many problems. hopefully they will make it better, i know they are disappointed by the current sales figures.

they do its the spec C in japan but i dunno if its even coming to america (not that i care) I wanna know how the new Spec C compares to the WRX Spec C Type RA-R lol (got a hand cramp typing that name)

saturn
07-06-2008, 10:41 AM
I wouldn't say they're disappointed by sales figures -- it isn't selling amazingly better (it sold the best when it debuted), but it's selling a little more or equal to last year's numbers...

that review is a little biased. clarkson loves the evo. plus they used the more powerful one. the STi would murder the 300hp version.

it isn't a "soft car" -- just because there are no more rattles and clunks as you drive down the road doesn't mean the STi has gone soft. they just made it appeal to more than 50 people.

the WRX and STi are both up for a refresh in a few months... we'll have to wait and see what Subaru has up their sleeve.

geebes
07-06-2008, 05:24 PM
I love Jeremy Clarkson! Some of the random things he writes about are brilliant.

mbs627
07-11-2008, 09:54 PM
So dissapointed on Subaru's suspension design this model year. Both Ken Block & Travis Pastrana blew out their rear suspensions at the STPR in Wellsboro this year. Parts failed and things came apart. Travis limped his back to service & Ken had to be towed in after losing his entire hub assembly.

More & more, I'm at the point that I don't really want to purchase a new Subaru any time soon. I'll stick with the good old tried & true models!


Shhhhhhhhh. Apparently if you mention the shortcomings of the "infinitely better" 2008 STI suspension out loud, all of NASIOC will vomit on your mother and the world's toilets will overflow!

I can't imagine why the WRC car's suspension is so different than the production car's...

dropdfocus
07-12-2008, 02:08 AM
Yup, and that's why the only reason I get on NASIOC is to purchase parts. Never to really contribute anything in the forum discussions. Tried that once and got flamed by a bunch of "I know everything, you know nothing" idiots! Most of them never see real world racing to know if something works well or not...

antitarmac
07-12-2008, 06:29 PM
Hoo tf is Jeremy Clarkson? Not impressed. Where's the substance? Where are the personal accounts? Where's the pic of the STI girl?! Reads like a review based on what he read in a year-old magazine. If he ever had the opportunity to run one flat out on a serious track, (say Moroso Speedway or Firebird Raceway or even glacial gravel roads at 95+mph) he may have a much different observation. On the same note, those of us that have actually driven both the EVO and STI the way they were meant understand that the EVO is near its limits with around 350 crank hp, but the STI is easy to drive as is and would be a happy car with around 450 crank hp. Also interesting is that our competition at work has not been the EVO anyway. Our Competition is the BMW 135. EVO never saw it coming. It's like the EVO fell off to the Wall-Mart crowd to run with the Mustang GT. Myself, I would love to put the WRC suspension on anything and go play. The clearance and poundability would be just what the doctor ordered for the scenic route home from work on a crappy Monday. Ever check out the cutaway of the '08 WRC car? Even with all that high-strength aluminum and steel, NOTHING is going to prevent it from getting ripped apart when you peg a rock or stump laterally at 60mph. That requires slightly better timing and a lot of luck-- whether it's an EVO, STI, or Festiva. Am I wrong?

antitarmac
07-12-2008, 07:07 PM
Any of you anti-'08 people actually driven the '08 STI? How about the way the suspension is actually set up...anyone even look under the car yet? SOOOOOO tired of pukes badmouthing the car without having the balls to go and see one in person, much less sit in one or blow their daddy's cash on one. As I have observed first hand, 90% of the pissing has been coming from those who blew their wad on an older WRX or have never driven anything capable of 0-60 in less than 8s in a straight line, much less around a corner in gravel. Shuttttt UPPPPP or step up!!! If you want an EVO, go ahead, not so sure the company will be around much longer, but be sure to buy your spares right away. I hear it's hard to find parts for crap cars after the company has been liquidated. How may of the STI sedans came out of the race in one piece? Seems that nearly all the teams destroyed their cars this year. The sponsors must be going insane right about now.:unamused::unamused::unamused:

I make no claims to own anything spectacular, but at least I have the experience and knowledge to back up what I put out there. Oh, yes, NASIOC is full of crap, but keep it there, please. Jeremy Clarkson is humorous, but sometimes he is just full of garbage.:bs:

Street Pirate
07-13-2008, 03:40 PM
yes i have driven all models of the sti that made it to the states, I have also driven many EVOs though I will admit I have not driven the current model but hopfully that will take place in september. the new sti is a "soft" car not because it is quite but because of the amount of body roll it comes with from the factory. I love the car but it will need to be modid. and yes I have seen the underside of the car due to the fact that the subaru brand pays all my bills. JC is a amazing writer and does take the cars out and trash them my friend.

dropdfocus
07-13-2008, 09:36 PM
Any of you anti-'08 people actually driven the '08 STI? How about the way the suspension is actually set up...anyone even look under the car yet? SOOOOOO tired of pukes badmouthing the car without having the balls to go and see one in person, much less sit in one or blow their daddy's cash on one.
Yes, I have seen the cars close up, sat in them & seen them raced. I have seen the suspension and Subaru should have stayed with the standard suspension. Also, why "soften up" the STi anyway? It's purpose is to be the sought after car of Subaru lovers. Rally inspiration is what brought Subaru a lot of lime light to those who would have never cared about the brand name. I'm not saying that they are slipping from their roots, but please don't try to make a car like the STi play nice with all the other cars. Its meant to be slightly harsh and fun to drive while leaving a large smile on your face for the next week! Bring back the '04-'05 which was stripped down and less refined in the true spirit of rally fun... Don't try to fix what wasn't broken.

Flame me if you wish, but this is my $.02 on the matter and won't soon be changed or swayed.

antitarmac
07-14-2008, 03:07 PM
That's more like it. What needs to be changed, specifically? What does EVO really have that makes it a better ride? How about ease of mods to the suspension? Not trying to be a pain in the arse, just looking for more ideas than criticisms. (i know, i criticize, ironic....)

Too bad we can't get a spec racer car like the old Miata back in ?2006?. Stripped down. No a/c, radio, cruise, insulation, spare.....

Give us a Ruf Alpin-esque STI or even a WRX with tight underpinnings and no cosmetic garbage. Leave the tune to the owners. Cut the price to $27k for the STI and $23 for the WRX. Now we're talking about a car that you would all enjoy, right?

I'd love either of them, myself. The problem is that the more crap you have on a car, the more profit you can build into the MSRP. Subaru exists to make money, unfortunately, not to care about what enthusiasts want. In an effort to expand their market share, they have to look to a wider population. Not a surprise. My prediction, though is that Toyota will acquire Subaru from Fuji Heavy within the next 2-3 years. Say bye to the WRX, STI, Spec-B, Tribeca, and turbo anything.

antitarmac
07-14-2008, 03:20 PM
yes i have driven all models of the sti that made it to the states, I have also driven many EVOs though I will admit I have not driven the current model but hopfully that will take place in september. the new sti is a "soft" car not because it is quite but because of the amount of body roll it comes with from the factory. I love the car but it will need to be modid. and yes I have seen the underside of the car due to the fact that the subaru brand pays all my bills. JC is a amazing writer and does take the cars out and trash them my friend.


Tech? Sales, myself.

How about all flex-fuel boosted units for 2010? Engineers said it's in the works to assist EPA and warranty claims.

From what I could figure out, STI needs springs and sway, not chassis stiffening. Mostly rear, which would be a piece of cake. 1hr for both combined. Seen any substantial aftermarket bits for either?

Like I said, JC can be funny, but can also be a schmuck.

dropdfocus
07-14-2008, 03:44 PM
I'd prefer to see another stripped down, no frills version of the STi. I'm not inclined to want to purchase one because they added too much crap that isn't needed. Take all the pretty stuff away & give me an honest to goodness bare bones "sports" car. No fluff is needed, no pretty princess BS. If you want that, buy a heavily optioned Impreza base model.

409industries
07-14-2008, 04:06 PM
Id have to say i really agree with the point that Jeremy made about the softness. The new WRX is really that. Soft. It was made to appeal to the masses. If you get one, plan on upgrading the springs and struts to get a better handling car. While you're at it, be sure to do the swaybars too! Hell, i saw Ken Block ripping around an autox course in one and it was... well..... not impressive.

Not to mention you can barely hear that signature boxer rumble with the constrictive oem exhaust... eeep!

saturn
07-14-2008, 04:17 PM
that's why I got rid of my exhaust :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ohn__3b57bA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lOeKjtOwmvk

rollo
07-14-2008, 06:30 PM
Yeah.. it'd actually be pretty easy to offer a pimped out Caddy-smooth one and a balls-to-the-wall teeth jarrer.

They could call them the STI LT and STI TS. Err.. no.. how about STI Type 1 and Type 2.

Seriously I think there are a lot of people who do want a no frills STI. So expand your market to the BMW 1-series crowd (really?!) and give the old school guys what they want.

None of which will make the rear suspension geometry good for the dirt, but oh well.

The new Evo is also a lot more luxo. I guess it's just the way that cars are going.

BTW our local Evo monster Isamu is pushing at least 350hp crank, and the car seemed to be doing just fine (bar dodgy hose clamps).. on the dirt no less. There are Evos all over the place with a heck of a lot more than that too. The driving characteristics of a heavily-modded car change so much with setup, tune, boost taper, etc etc etc that I dunno about that assertion at all.

antitarmac
07-14-2008, 08:26 PM
Awesome replies!!! This is why I'm not on NASIOC!!!

I grabbed a few guys when I got back to work to discuss this over a black base STI that we had a sports grill put on OEM. Niiice. It came with the STI logo attached. We're tinting the windows and leaving it at that. Should be sharp.

Anyway, we all agreed that there needs to be only two versions of the car. Loaded and soft for the $$$ crowd and stripped down for the mph crowd. There would still have to be a/c for windshield defrost, but nearly everything else could go. After some discussion, we figured there could be a weight savings of nearly 250lbs and a sticker price of around $30k. Dual-dual split exhaust would go away in favor of less weight and better tone/tune characteristics. Front facia outlets - gone. Power mirrors/signals - gone. Side vent grille inserts - gone, leave em open. Spare - gone. Radio/speakers/cruise/leather/panel inserts/roof rails/auto clim/interior filtration/cupholders/center console/under trays/useless rear diffuser/rear diff damper/footwell lighting/insulation.....gone. Shorter, stiffer springs also reduce weight. High tensile sway bars, instead of larger diameter. On the right track? 3 colors to cut cost, red, wrb, white(wrap a white car for custom). 13.5g tank to cut weight and aid in exhaust clearance for less bends. Who's going to go through 10g at the track anyway?. E85 capability is a must for bigger boost and less heat. Carpet??? How 'bout matching crackle finish bare floor and real alum plates for pedals (ala Elise). No floor sound mats, please. Including under the back seat. How's that for dreaming? Still, I think they'd sell twice as many and produce more cars with the same number of workers.

Haven't driven the new EVO, yet either, but am working on it. Maybe I'll convert if Toyota buys us out. REALLY hate Toyota. They kill whole driving experience with their econo boxes and hyper milers.

dropdfocus
07-14-2008, 08:48 PM
that's why I got rid of my exhaust :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ohn__3b57bA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lOeKjtOwmvk
Now THAT sounds like a true Subaru once again! Very nice!! :headbang:

VermillionX
07-15-2008, 10:09 PM
I think subaru lost what the STi really is. It is not a drivers car anymore. I hope they change it for 09.

saturn
07-15-2008, 10:55 PM
not a driver's car?

have you personally driven one?

jeremy clarkson is an idiot

giusepi
01-18-2009, 06:27 AM
I love my 08 STi. I have about 5k miles on it, unfortunatly I have no driving experience in older model STi's, but my good friend has an evoX and both of our cars feel similar. Of course he has already changed out his springs and tuned the engine to make 320 whp, which is considerably more than my stock 238 whp.

Honestly though, which STi owner has kept his/her suspension stock? Everyone that I know personally has swapped out the stock stuff long ago, and anyone with performace on their minds will add swaybars rather quickly to any car.

I have been a fan of wagons and hatches for a long time, that was my reason for not buying the older model STi's, no wagon version. Call me crazy, but I like look of my STi better than the previous ones.

saturn
01-18-2009, 07:13 AM
same here, love wagons and hatches

who told you the STi only has 230 hp?? lol that's what my WRX hatch makes stock

try 305 hp and 290 lb ft of torqe :)

dropdfocus
01-18-2009, 08:33 AM
Of course he has already changed out his springs and tuned the engine to make 320 whp, which is considerably more than my stock 238 whp.

who told you the STi only has 230 hp?? lol that's what my WRX hatch makes stock

try 305 hp and 290 lb ft of torqe :)
His numbers were in reference to WHEEL horsepower...Not CRANK horsepower.
:flamed

320 hp is a considerable jump on the advertised 291 chp

katnip
01-18-2009, 02:23 PM
the 09's suck worse!

dropdfocus
01-18-2009, 03:26 PM
Oh?? Everyone was raving how much better the 09 is vs the 08 model in just about every way. The 09 killed the slalom times and the 0-60 time of the 08.

katnip
01-18-2009, 04:31 PM
the one I drove had so much body roll it was pathetic, the brakes where useless. I felt like I was driving an outback on low dose roids.

Drew84
01-19-2009, 05:35 AM
Clarkson's review is honestly one of the Reasons I switched to the EVO 10. I was looking at the EVO and thinking. Is it really better? Well, it is. The car is faster and tighter. Where I hated the the EVO 8 because of its lack of creature comforts for daily driving. My '05 STi was simply just as fast and better for daily driving. I have been a long time fan of the 4G63 turbo motor. A staple of sport compact power, built with an iron block and aluminum head the motor screamed boost me. The new motor is so far, awesome. The 4B11 is all aluminum, requires no balance shafts. Has MIVEC variable timing on both intake and exhaust. A timing chain. It drives so smooth. Now the steering, which in the EVO 8, I did not like. For whatever reason I found it too fast, irritating on normal roads. I've changed my opinion, The X has kept that steering, the fact of the matter is that the Recaro's have a brain plug like the Matrix that directly transmits your thoughts of turning into turning. The unibody structure is 150% stiffer than the previous EVO. The only thing I don't like, which I stayed away from is the TC-SST, a paddle shifted 6 transmission that shifts as fast and hard as Ferrari's system. Its just to complicated if it breaks and expensive to fix, the unit is not serviceable and cost $8,000 dollars to in parts alone to replace. Any how, I will have pictures of the new car soon.
Don't get me wrong I love Subarus, the cars are a blast to drive. I simply can not limit my self to one make of cars. I would be pissed if I had bought an 08 WRX only to have them upgrade it so quickly.