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2.5rallyrs
05-10-2010, 09:33 PM
so ive been reading ra's rule book and its obviously overwhelming at points... however its much needed to understand every bit...can i get a run through of say lspr or any national or even regional event, whats all needed for insurance/registration, crew members, scrutineering, check points, etc. it would be greatly appreciated
ProRallyCodriver
05-10-2010, 10:20 PM
Some useful stuff in here.
http://dirtyimpreza.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6567
thewizard
05-10-2010, 10:27 PM
You will need to register for the event which means you need to pay for it, have RA licenses and submit the required documentation (driver licenses, copies of service, rally, recce car registration and insurance cards and coverage limits). You will also be required to get a car number and all the associated stickers which could be ordered thru there website. Once all that is submitted and you will fill out emergency contact info etc on the website your initial registration process will be completed.
You may register crew members prior to event or at the event. They will sill have to sign waivers etc...
Once you arrive at the event you, your co-driver and crew members will need to go to registration and fill out/sign the appropriate forms. This could be done separately as they arrive. You may still need to present the insurance and registration papers so have them handy. They may also ask for your RA and driver licenses. Once that is done you will be handed a large sized envelope with the event stickers, route and stage note books and a tech sheet. Your registration will be complete at this point.
From there you or your crew members will proceed to scrutineering. At scrutineering you will need to present the log book, a filled out scrutineering sheet (some events will give you the sheet during the process), helmets, hans devices and suits. All safety items, lights, horn, leaks, play in suspension components etc will be checked. You may be asked to jack your car up with the provided jack. If there are no issues you will pass scrutineering and a sticker will be placed in the car or on the windshield stating you are eligible to start. During this process, you and your codriver will likely be at recce.
At headquarters all changes/corrections and time will be present on the bulletin board. You will need to find the starting order which is usually posted the morning of the event. You will need to be at parc expose prior to the said time. You and co-driver are required the drivers meeting as well. Its a good idea to check the bulletin board for updates as it is your (co-driver) responsibility. When your start time comes you will need to proceed to the start and you will be handed a time card. From Parc Expose you will transit out to the first stage.
2.5rallyrs
05-11-2010, 09:58 AM
more information is always helpful! and much thanks to who have commented already
I just went through this when we added a second car to our team and I had to show the new guys the ropes. Best advice, find an experienced competitor that's local to you to learn from. Try and attach yourself to another team for your first few events. If you're at a Nemadji Trail, OFR, LSPR you can look me up
2.5rallyrs
05-11-2010, 10:16 AM
I just went through this when we added a second car to our team and I had to show the new guys the ropes. Best advice, find an experienced competitor that's local to you to learn from. Try and attach yourself to another team for your first few events. If you're at a Nemadji Trail, OFR, LSPR you can look me up
awesome..i was going to go to nemadji trail but wasnt able to due to driving, new car, etc. anyways i was going to ask about joining up with a team.
UP2MTNS
05-11-2010, 10:25 AM
If you've never run an event....it looks a lot more stressful than it really is (imo). Now, it helps to NOT be working on your car the 3 hours before tech starts, but hey, to each their own ;)
The documentation is pretty straight forward...the biggest thing is having your insurance policy actually printed out w/all the numbers on it...but NASA doesn't even require that anymore...you just sign a waiver that says you have it.
The other thing is to have your racing licenses, but again, most events you can actually sign up for and pay for (or renew) your licenses right there at registration.
things like 'competitor withdrawl form' (etc) will be in the packet you receive, or somewhere in the back of the route book.
Tech is...well, its just tech. If your car is put together even just decently, it'll pass....anything that 'could be better', they'll usually put a note in your log book to fix for next time. If its serious, you might be in trouble...it just depends.
things they check you might not think about until they point it out:
-wheel bearings...they'll jack up your car and check all 4.
-don't forget tow ropes, shovel, safety kit, spill kit, triangles
-padding in all the right places (just have extra padding around w/ a few zip ties just in case)
-properly mounted harness...this one got us at Olympus....frickin' welded plates with thick eyelets, but they didn't like the angle of the lap belts...made Lars remount them that night.
-DON'T EVER LOSE YOUR LOG BOOK! (mine lives in my service truck, with all my other insurance/registration docs, permanently)
-updated fire extinguishers...even if you get one 'free' from a buddy or whatever, make sure they're certified.
-seats are mounted solidly
I have yet to see someone get redflagged at tech and not be able to race....heard about one person in the past 2 yrs, but they were getting their cage certified at the same time and it was related to that.
I'm sure there are more stories out there...
2.5rallyrs
05-11-2010, 10:30 AM
If you've never run an event....it looks a lot more stressful than it really is (imo). Now, it helps to NOT be working on your car the 3 hours before tech starts, but hey, to each their own ;)
The documentation is pretty straight forward...the biggest thing is having your insurance policy actually printed out w/all the numbers on it...but NASA doesn't even require that anymore...you just sign a waiver that says you have it.
The other thing is to have your racing licenses, but again, most events you can actually sign up for and pay for (or renew) your licenses right there at registration.
things like 'competitor withdrawl form' (etc) will be in the packet you receive, or somewhere in the back of the route book.
Tech is...well, its just tech. If your car is put together even just decently, it'll pass....anything that 'could be better', they'll usually put a note in your log book to fix for next time. If its serious, you might be in trouble...it just depends.
things they check you might not think about until they point it out:
-wheel bearings...they'll jack up your car and check all 4.
-don't forget tow ropes, shovel, safety kit, spill kit, triangles
-padding in all the right places (just have extra padding around w/ a few zip ties just in case)
-properly mounted harness...this one got us at Olympus....frickin' welded plates with thick eyelets, but they didn't like the angle of the lap belts...made Lars remount them that night.
-DON'T EVER LOSE YOUR LOG BOOK! (mine lives in my service truck, with all my other insurance/registration docs, permanently)
-updated fire extinguishers...even if you get one 'free' from a buddy or whatever, make sure they're certified.
-seats are mounted solidly
I have yet to see someone get redflagged at tech and not be able to race....heard about one person in the past 2 yrs, but they were getting their cage certified at the same time and it was related to that.
I'm sure there are more stories out there...
i was hoping thats how it was lol...it seems about the same as a scca sanctioned road racing event...the rules and book is way overwhelming but in all reality its nothing big. the sentra i have was the jake himes sentra that last competed in 07..i think i should be good yet. is there a way to get someone local to look everything over before i even got to an event?
ProRallyCodriver
05-11-2010, 02:14 PM
..it seems about the same as a scca sanctioned road racing event...
Contrary, rally is friendlier. Don't know why it is, maybe its because we depend on each other for our on safety out in the woods and we aren;t banging fenders with each other on the track. You'll find ralliers will give more advice and loan parts or supplies to get you to the finish than any SCCA roadrace.
A1337STI
05-11-2010, 02:45 PM
Yep rally teams are more helpful than road racing teams , From my experience.
I got red flagged couldn't run @ Idaho :( I Thought i had an SA Helmet but it was only M. Luckily Michele saved my rally by loaning me his helmet (and hans since my posts were only for the hutchins device) :)
409industries
05-11-2010, 04:36 PM
is there a way to get someone local to look everything over before i even got to an event?
Absolutely. Most scrutineers (whether they be Rally America or NASA) will be accessible outside of rally event weekends. Some may even be available to answer questions over the phone. If you're concerned about something that might not pass tech take the car down to a scrutineer and have them look at it and give you some feedback.
Most are going to be very interested in getting your car safe and ready to race, as the survival of our sport depends on new people becoming involved and entering events.
2.5rallyrs
05-11-2010, 05:16 PM
Absolutely. Most scrutineers (whether they be Rally America or NASA) will be accessible outside of rally event weekends. Some may even be available to answer questions over the phone. If you're concerned about something that might not pass tech take the car down to a scrutineer and have them look at it and give you some feedback.
Most are going to be very interested in getting your car safe and ready to race, as the survival of our sport depends on new people becoming involved and entering events.
very cool this is nice to know.. thank you
Find an experienced co-driver for your first event (but you might have to pay some of their expenses).
As a driver all you really know how to do is turn the wheel and push the pedals anyway.
;)
UP2MTNS
05-12-2010, 11:42 AM
helps if you can get a good service/crew guy as well that knows subarus and you trust....that way you can say, 'hey....fix this' and then at least walk away for a little bit to take care of other stuff while stuff gets fixed. Its when you start having to get 3 things done at the same time all by yourself when it starts becoming stressful and not fun.
2.5rallyrs
05-12-2010, 03:04 PM
helps if you can get a good service/crew guy as well that knows subarus and you trust....that way you can say, 'hey....fix this' and then at least walk away for a little bit to take care of other stuff while stuff gets fixed. Its when you start having to get 3 things done at the same time all by yourself when it starts becoming stressful and not fun.
lol i can imagine..but yes this would def. be needed. how many people can you have as your crew?
lol i can imagine..but yes this would def. be needed. how many people can you have as your crew?
a lot, if I recall the RA crew registration form has room for 8 names. I typically bring 3 or 4 crew members
2.5rallyrs
05-12-2010, 07:09 PM
a lot, if I recall the RA crew registration form has room for 8 names. I typically bring 3 or 4 crew members
haha wow, alright very good info so far! this has turned out to be a very informative thread...sticky maybe??
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