Sonoma Valley Rally Cross!! April 11, 2010

[UP2MTNS]

Event registration and info here!

http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/event.advert/uidEvent/15C0F9F5-EC09-2EA6-B83A26889A3B2F57


Fine Line Imports is sponsoring our drinks for the weekend! Free water/Gatorade/Vitamin Water...and even some Joint Juice for us old guys! LOL

www.FineLineImports.net

Last day to register online: Thu Apr 8, 2010 Wecome to the first ever Sonoma Rally Cross!

This will be an SCCA sanctioned event...in conjunction with Paul Eklund Rally School. This is (currently) the first of only TWO NorCal Rally Crosses on the FRX calendar, so you better make it!! (This is not a CRS rallyX event)

Pricing:

1-25 competitors: $60
26-35 $55
36-45 $45
45+ $40

Take additional $5 off if you're an SCCA member!

Final price will be determined by the # of competitors that PRE-REGISTER AND SHOW UP!

So hopefully this will inspire you guys to not only come, but bring some friends to help save EVERYone a few bucks! There's already 22 students signed up, so we're halfway there!



Everyone...since this is a new venue in the middle of Santa Rosa, PLEASE be respectful of speed/driving/etc...

[MarkA]

How do you want us to designate class for the SCCA "National" portion of the event? I signed up for FRX SM2 on account of bringing my snow tires but am also SCCA SF for that scoring.

[TylerSti]

Jon, I am helping Paul out with his rally school. Do you want a designated worker for Sunday? :)

[UP2MTNS]

How do you want us to designate class for the SCCA "National" portion of the event? I signed up for FRX SM2 on account of bringing my snow tires but am also SCCA SF for that scoring.

we'll track that manually at the event, since really that classing is just for any contingency monies.



Tyler.....so are you going to be around Saturday too? we'll need some help keeping the track wet both days. Thanks! JB

[TylerSti]

Yup i'm going to be Paul's bitch Saturday, Friday if he needs any help too. He mainly wants me to be a dedicated water truck driver. If you need anything let me know.

[MarkA]

we'll track that manually at the event, since really that classing is just for any contingency monies.



I'm pretty sure the SCCA will want a "full" rundown of that both for the boxscores section of SportsCar and their website as showing only a few dozen entries or so for contingency purposes will make everyone look bad.

Anyone done any "testing" at this site yet, i.e. do we know if it's going to get soft?

[pomspeed]

Jon, thanks for setting up reg. It'll make life easier for pre-reg for you also since there is a rally prepared class PF PA and separate rwd classes, SR and PR.

Also, thanks to FLi for their part. If you bring stickers, I'll sport them for FLi. FTW

Brent

[409industries]

wow a new venue! Excellent work!

[UP2MTNS]

can you register for 2 different classes at motorsportreg.com? I think we'll just have to manually do it 'day of'.

[snaggleto0th]

SWEET hopefully I dont spend too much money going to glen helen, maybe ill actually race on sunday if money is right! Cant afford the school due to trying to buy a house. Plus I gotta see if Ill even be able to make glen helen due to NO CAR still! But Ill still try to make both events sounds like a good time. If anything I show up and help out to what ever needs helping with!

[Rally OBXT]

I am gonna try and make this, but I can't say for sure 100%.

[bue car]

hmmm maybe. a bit of a strech if i run hard at gh..

[MarkA]

Since this event is designated an "SCCA National Challenge", there are a couple things I'd like to pass along as I've just gotten back from a National Challenge in Utah this weekend.

First, the SCCA is still going on with the "no passengers at a National" rule. If anyone has promised anyone showing up a ride, you may need to cancel that unless Jon has an exemption for this or whatnot.

Second, for everyone going for Subaru's contingency money, many racers in Utah did not get the required stickers in time. If you are not signed up for that and have not requested the stickers, you should be doing so now. The solution was to pass around a few sets on magnets and that worked Ok though.

[UP2MTNS]

FYI, but anyone pre-regg'ed should have gotten this in an email today.



Hi Everyone! Thanks to all who pre-registered! Your name is on the list, and with all the students from the NorCal Rally School also attending, we're looking at over 50 competitors, and so we've hit the lowest pricing tier as well!

Please bring $40 for your event Fee Sunday AM when you register; you MUST have your SCCA card to receive the additional $5 discount. Here is the venue location:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=sonoma+county+fairgrounds&ie=UTF8&hl=en&hq=Sonoma+County+Fairgrounds&hnear=Sonoma+County+Fairgrounds,+Santa+Rosa,+CA+95 404&t=h&ll=38.424815,-122.696251&spn=0.002463,0.005681&z=18&iwloc=B

Here is the schedule for the day:

7:30am - Course open to walk, registration opens
9:00am - Mandatory Driver's meeting
9:30am - First car on course!!
Lunch - We will NOT be stopping for lunch, so please plan accordingly.


I'm not sure what the run order will be, so please be on time in the AM. Right now there's a small number of R4 and R2 folks, so I'd like to try to get them mixed in with Stock or Mod run groups.

This will be for FRX NorCal Points, so everyone must work!! We will have a list with your name on it, Tucker Heiner will be in charge of making sure there's enough people to work for each run group, and anyone that does not work will not have points recorded.

DON'T FORGET!! This is an SCCA National Challenge event...which means there's contingency money for top Subaru Finishers, anyone with Team Dynanics Rims, and even top Volkswagon finishers!! Please see the SCCA RallyCross website for details. Also, you MUST work if you want me to submit your results for SCCA contingency money.


Please let me know if you have any questions!

Jon Burke
UP2MTNS Rally Team
http://up2mtns.blogspot.com/
UP2MTNS@gmail.com

[yetiking303]

can we get a final say on passengers or not?

can anyone explain why the no passengers rule?

[UP2MTNS]

can we get a final say on passengers or not?

can anyone explain why the no passengers rule?

been trying to get a hold of scca corporate, should have an answer today.

[Johnny5]

can we get a final say on passengers or not?

can anyone explain why the no passengers rule?

Ride alongs are generally not allow at scca events because people could get a preview or recce of the track before they actually race. If its a non-competitor tho, I can't see why it shouldn't be allowed.

[pomspeed]

regular rallycross events allow passengers, but National Challenge events don't because it is an event that has the potential for contingency money. So to make sure no competitors see the course "at speed" no passengers are allowed. It doesn't mean you can't take people for fun runs if time permits, just not during competition runs.

Brent

[UP2MTNS]

corporate actually told me it was because co-drivers are considered a 'distraction'.

[A1337STI]

Ride alongs are generally not allow at scca events because people could get a preview or recce of the track before they actually race. If its a non-competitor tho, I can't see why it shouldn't be allowed.

Spot On. the reason to not allow any passengers is so the organizer / starter doesn't have to check the sign up sheet to see if said passenger is a competitor who hasn't ran yet.

I recall the 06 CRS rally school , the following day was an SCCA national event and they wouldn't let you ride with me (even though you were not signed up to run at all) but how were they to know you weren't lying and really your run group was next? it just saves head aches that way!

[UP2MTNS]

^^ stop it, you're distracting me.

[yetiking303]

i understand the reasoning, but as someone who's not competitive what so ever, and is just there for fun its kinda a bummer- my friend wanted to check out rallycross.

o well next one wont be a national right?

[pomspeed]

Where are you located? If you're in Norcal area, the next one will be at Prairie City in Sacramento area and it will be a regular rallycross.

But like I said before, if there is time for fun runs on Sunday you should bring him out. Better yet, are you one of the students for the rally school? I'm sure there would be a way for your friend to get to go for a ride on Saturday.

Brent

[wayne0912]

So wait, even if we are not competing for times or whatever, we are not allow to have passengers?

[echelon]

Just remembered about this event, I am just wandering, my friend who hasnt registered or anything said he is still going for fun to drive.... but is there anytime for fun or not competitive people to have fun? just curious.

Hopefully I can still go and just hangout, take alot of photos :)

[Rally OBXT]

So how did it go?

[LURK]

^^ mud pit! rediculous muddy! smiles for miles tho

[bue car]

kirk,

you went?

[LURK]

^YUP! i went to the school too! I took a plane up there bought a 93 FWD Impreza and raced it 3 days later haha

[WAM]

Spot On. the reason to not allow any passengers is so the organizer / starter doesn't have to check the sign up sheet to see if said passenger is a competitor who hasn't ran yet.

I thought codrivers were commonplace in our local events...which admittedly are usually run under CRS, not SCCA rules. I don't care myself. But I thought some of you considered it a "rally" thing.

As the starter, I've see more R4 cars with codrivers than without. I never knew it was an issue although I understand and agree with the recce concern.

[409industries]

I can totally understand the rule of no passengers when contingency money is available. It makes sense and by having the blanket rule of "no passengers" this means the organizers at the event don't have to deal with policing who is a non-competitor / competitor that has already run who is riding versus someone who is getting an unfair recce lap.

I actually enjoy having other people in the car when i'm driving, at the recent Glen Helen event, i didnt do one lap by myself on both the practice or competition days. Not only that, but 3 of my passengers had never been to a rallycross before and it got them a little piece of the action, if not possibly helping them want to come back next time to drive themselves.

So i can definitely see both sides of the debate. Once money is on the line though, seemingly innocent intentions could be viewed as trying to get an unfair advantage.

[LURK]

^ well said Aaron.

[rallyruss]

Having passengers is one the best parts. Thats how I get new people out to see what its all about and just have a good time. They also are helpful to spot red flags, stray dogs, stray cars or other dangers on course.

Some of us are just out to have fun.

[A1337STI]

Yes both..

Its common place for our local CRS events to allow passengers (even competitors before their runs)

Hell I've seen competitors take practice runs (no points) Before their competition runs which is definitely an advantage

In some cases no one is put at a disadvantage and it helps the community (like Aaron taking noobs for laps and they want to come back and maybe race themselves)

in other cases competitors are getting practice laps their competition isn't getting and are gaining an unfair advantage. Getting 'a ride' helps out , but for people who are newer / timid to ask they won't get any recce rides and are at a disadvantage. even if there's no money on the line many of us are gunning for a year end trophy .

also making sure everything is as fair as possible may keep some people in it / or interest them more.. double edged sword.

[bue car]

When I did my first rally cross, I received the first ride of the day in Rally Innovations car. I was running SM4 so I obviously ran before my time. Did it help? Not one bit.

If I was a 5-6 year veteran with lots of laps under my belt, then maybe I can get a slight advantage on my first run, however, if not, then my first run may be a little slower and more cautious. I mean, who really brings the fire on the first lap, and worst times after that? (besides me and my cone addiction)

Rules are rules, and rules are usual never fun, not to mix up fun with no safety, i like rules for safety.

just my 2 worthless cents :)

[UP2MTNS]

RESULTS!! (see attached file)
sorry for the delay...


UPDATED below....

[MarkA]

Thanks Jon - I hope your laptop survived.

In SS2, the #14 should have been DNF'd for his first run - the total is only adding the two runs he finished. Ditto the #7 in SS4.

Man, Burney threw it down trying to catch me. He said he went to 22psi in his tires on the front and I wasn't brave enough to match that, not even in the mud. Wound up being a good battle for us in SM2 and I'm happy to have held on :D

I think you also need to "publish" SCCA results for people to finalize their collection of any contingency money.

[rallyruss]

:D

I guess it was worth the ruined rare rally tire.

Downgrading to snow tires....

Thanks guys. See you all at the next one.

[UP2MTNS]

Thanks Jon - I hope your laptop survived.

In SS2, the #14 should have been DNF'd for his first run - the total is only adding the two runs he finished. Ditto the #7 in SS4.

Man, Burney threw it down trying to catch me. He said he went to 22psi in his tires on the front and I wasn't brave enough to match that, not even in the mud. Wound up being a good battle for us in SM2 and I'm happy to have held on :D

I think you also need to "publish" SCCA results for people to finalize their collection of any contingency money.

Thx Mark, I'll get those fixed tonight.


BTW, I'm at work so I don't have all the registration sheets, but is Scott Kovalik supposed to be in SS4? who's car was he driving?

[pomspeed]

Thanks for the results Jon. I know I hit a finish cone and a 2 sec. cone on my first run, neither on my second run or third runs.

Also, like Mark said, we need to have the SCCA classes split out as well for contingency, not that it looks like I did too well, but we need it for everyone else.

[UP2MTNS]

Thanks for the results Jon. I know I hit a finish cone and a 2 sec. cone on my first run, neither on my second run or third runs.

Also, like Mark said, we need to have the SCCA classes split out as well for contingency, not that it looks like I did too well, but we need it for everyone else.

thx...I'll edit. the computer results actually had 2 finish cones for you, on two different runs, and I knew that wasn't correct.

[UP2MTNS]

updated results, along with SCCA 'contingency results'.


Let me know ASAP if anything is wrong with the SCCA stuff as I'm reporting that to SCCA corporate tomorrow.

Jon

[drtofu]

Tyler, you drove a Samurai? Seriously?! Awesome!

[MarkA]

updated results, along with SCCA 'contingency results'.


Let me know ASAP if anything is wrong with the SCCA stuff as I'm reporting that to SCCA corporate tomorrow.

Jon

Brent shouldn't be in PR for the SCCA ones.

[pomspeed]

Jon, pm sent, but yeah SA not PR.

[moogoosube]

hay dose anyone know where i can find pics or video of the rallycross:headbang:

[MarkA]

hay dose anyone know where i can find pics or video of the rallycross:headbang:

There are some starting on this page: http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13887&page=7

[TylerSti]

Thanks Jon ! Yeah! 2nd place in rally 4 lol... I should just sell the Subaru.

[LURK]

haha Alex got first and last!

[A1337STI]

That's what happens when you scare everyone out of R2!

Maybe if i sand bag a few events I'll get someone to hop in with me?

:rofl:

[MarkA]

That's what happens when you scare everyone out of R2!

Maybe if i sand bag a few events I'll get someone to hop in with me?

:rofl:

I'll be back into R2 starting with the Sept PC event. :eek:

[lminette]

Uh oh!! Anton back in R2? It's 2007 all over again!!!:headbang:

[A1337STI]

Sounds fun! :guitarist:

[pomspeed]

Hey Mark, if you are free to come down in June, the West Coast Championship event should be at Prairie City this year, San Diego had it cancelled on them. I'm just waiting for PC.

Brent

[MarkA]

Hey Mark, if you are free to come down in June, the West Coast Championship event should be at Prairie City this year, San Diego had it cancelled on them. I'm just waiting for PC.

Brent

Same dates as SD was going to be? I was planning on going all the way to SD but I never could get them to confirm it was still on anyway...:unamused:

[pomspeed]

Yes, same date, I figured that would be wise. June 19th and 20th. I was asking for info also and then the bombshell that it has been cancelled for SD. So, hope you won't mind only driving as far as Sacramento. I'll have to figure out how to get in touch with Charles Morrill, he had fun last time at PC.

[MarkA]

Yes, same date, I figured that would be wise. June 19th and 20th. I was asking for info also and then the bombshell that it has been cancelled for SD. So, hope you won't mind only driving as far as Sacramento. I'll have to figure out how to get in touch with Charles Morrill, he had fun last time at PC.

Excellent - just let us know when it's confirmed and I'm 98% sure I'll be there.

[A1337STI]

I'm free that weekend too, Woot!