Ej22t

[Gnome]

Ok i've found the whole thing block and internals...
it has less than 100k miles
its from 1994
its local so no shipping and its less than a grand.
i can probably talk the guy down to 725$
now i dunno a whole lot about the engine only that it seems to be well liked and that it sounds like a deal to me....
ideas>?

[RS MN]

good deal.
they are virtually indestructable due to having a fully closed deck block, versus open deck (NA/early USDM WRX), or semi closed deck (USDM STi).
they can handle alot of power, and as you said are very well liked.

i wish i could find one for my car :(

[Gnome]

yay:)
im deffinately getting it lol
my engine aint overly happy lol

[dropdfocus]

For USDM pre-STi cars, this is the Holy Grail of engine blocks. This block paired with EJ20G heads from the JDM WRX is one of the best combos you can put into a USDM Subaru. The factory 22T heads are very restrictive and most people pull them off in place of the JDM heads, EJ25D heads or the WRX EJ205 heads. The bottom end is VERY solid, but if you swap in a 2.5 crank and rods with Wiseco pistons, you can transform the motor into a 2.35 liter motor. Any 2.5 crank will work, but the EJ257 is your best option obviously.

If you want to learn more than your head could ever handle on these motors & the endless possibilities on build ups, make sure you sign up over at Legacy Central (http://bbs.legacycentral.org). The members there (myself included) are very knowledgeable and there's tons of info to be found there. The only thing we ask is that you make use of the internal search engine before posting up the same question that 30 other people have already asked.

[Gnome]

thanks man, im hoping to go up and get it next month and build it until summer then swap it in

[dropdfocus]

...and as you said are very well liked.
Yep, I like 'em so much I have two! :muhaha: I'd buy a third if I had the ability...then I'd start working on my plans to take over THE WORLD!!!!!!! :machinegunleft:

Sorry, I got a bit carried away there. :crazy:

[Gnome]

thats ok we all have our george bush days ;)
anyways once i get the engine ill be in the market for parts lol and hopefully ill be able to sell my old engine

[dropdfocus]

My build will consist of the EJ257 crank & rods, the Wiseco pistons (http://www.wiseco.com/Catalogs/SportCompact/SubaruToyota.pdf), blue print & balance internals, EJ20G intake manifold & heads with Delta Cams 272 camshafts, and very likely a TD05-16g turbo (although the turbo choice is not set in stone just yet). My ultimate goal is to put out no less than 325chp. Once that's achieved, I'll be a happy camper.

Keep your eyes open on the classified section on Legacy Central. All types of goodies pop up from time to time, including JDM heads from projects that never moved forward.

[Gnome]

Nice! I'm getting mire excited every time I talk about it

[95 WRX STi]

Good find, bro!

[Gnome]

Thanks mate. Lemme know about the mirrors when you find out kk

[Gnome]

What do I need wiring wise for it to go into my car?

[dropdfocus]

The crank and cam sensors will transfer over. The knock sensor should have the same harness connector along with your main wiring harness (if that is all included with your purchase).

[Gnome]

no its not and the guy is being very sketchy so i may not go for this anymore, but i am in the market for a closed block or wrx engine etc etc.

[Gnome]

Is the 2.0 liter closed deck so ej20t? A good engine?

[95 WRX STi]

I'll bring you back an EJ20T(T) if you want out of a JDM leggy whenever I get stationed back in the states, dude!

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii83/animalpaws1/Boxer2-stagetwinturbo.jpg

[Gnome]

hahahaha, when will be restationed here?

[95 WRX STi]

Hopefully in a couple of years...if we're lucky. Stateside is usually easy to get after you've been overseas. I will hopefully have a good bit of boneyard goodies packed up and ready for my return..much easier to sell when local pickup is available!

[Gnome]

haha, sigh i wish there was a way ship that here lol

[dropdfocus]

EJ20G (JDM) engines are closed deck, but the USDM 2.0 motors are not.

[RS MN]

dropdfocus, are the JDM ej20k's closed deck as well, or is that when they started going open?

[dropdfocus]

EJ20K is from the JDM Impreza WRX & STi and I do believe it is semi-closed deck, but I will double check that info.
EJ20T This is not actually a valid code from Subaru, but is mostly used by enthusiasts and also mechanics to describe the entire line of 2.0 litre turbocharged engines that have been available over time. The practice began with the incorrect designation of the USA-spec turbo, commonly referred to as the EJ22T, and the habit of referring to any turbocharged engine as a "T" began.

[RS MN]

i suppose thats why you hear all the stories of people blowing up the k's and none of people blowing up the g's.

thanks man!

[kurt.]

Not all of the EJ20Gs are closed deck either.. There's a way to tell by the serial number on the motor but I don't have the glossary or know where to look to do so..

-Kurt

[95 WRX STi]

I have seen 3 completely torn apart blocks here and they are all simply stamped "EJ20". The T-designator is on the paperwork that could be called our "title" here in Japan. The "G" block is in all 93-97 GC8's, and the "K" blocks are residing in the 98-01 GC8s...that's just for over here, though. Friend of mine who actually competes quite a bit blew his K block (no compression, died in the middle of a rally) and went to the boneyard and picked up a closed deck out of a RA model, 97 GC8. He used his original cylinder heads, intake, turbo, etc., but the block, in his words, was now "bulletproof".

[dropdfocus]

Yup, "Closed-Deck" FTW!!!! I absolutely LOVE my EJ22T engine! :mrgreen:

[RS MN]

im still stuck between an N/A and a F/I build, but if i go F/I, i will definately be going closed deck.

[Gnome]

i want to build closed deck, but i wont be pushing uber amounts of boooooosssstttt so i think i should be fine with a semi closed deck?

[dropdfocus]

Yeah you'd be fine. EJ205's (USDM WRX motor) can be found for sale all the time on NASIOC for a decent price, especially the short blocks.

[Gnome]

Ok here's another question what is the did between short and long blocks

[Rallycat66]

Ok here's another question what is the did between short and long blocks

It varies depending on who you are talking to, but in general a "short" block is an incomplete engine. For instance just the block, pistons, crank, etc, but no heads, intake, etc.

A "long" block is a more complete - "ready to run" (or at least a lot closer to ready) engine that includes almost everything that you'd need. Whether it includes all the intake, turbos, etc varies.

[Gnome]

oi, ok

[95 WRX STi]

From my previous experience at AutoZone:

Bare Block- engine block outfitted only with freeze plugs (no oil pan, pistons, rods, crank, etc.)

Short Block- engine block outfitted with freeze plugs, crankshaft, connecting rods, and pistons (and sometimes an oil pan)

Long Block- engine block outfiitted as a nearly complete unit, minus accessories such as alternator, waterpump, exhaust manifolds, etc. Long blocks are typically sold without an intake manifold, but application specific short blocks will come with an intake manifold.

[dropdfocus]

Short blocks do not include anything but the engine block. No heads, intake, etc.

[Gnome]

whats too much to pay for a short block, then same question to a long block?
i know it depends on the engine but
lets say a ej20 semi closed
ej22t closed
ej25t semi closed

[dropdfocus]

Average prices run as follows:
Of course mileage/running condition will affect pricing
EJ205 USDM WRX (semi closed)
- short block: $350-750
- long block: $500-$1,500

EJ22T Legacy Sport Sedan/Wagon (fully closed)
- short block: $350-1,000
- long block: $500-$1,500

EJ255 WRX & Legacy GT (semi closed)
- short block: $750-1,750
- long block: $1500-$2,500

EJ257 STi (semi closed)
- short block: $750-1,750
- long block: $1500-$2,800

[dropdfocus]

Looky at what popped up for sale on NASIOC:
EJ22T - http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1913483
EJ255 - http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1910706
EJ257 - http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1895657

This just proves that there are plenty of engines to purchase and use for a swap at a reasonable price, you just have to look for them.

[RS MN]

wow, those are good deals.
once i get a job again, i may end up starting an engine build sooner than i thought...

[dropdfocus]

8) You're very welcome. All I ever us NASIOC for is to source out parts, since that's all it's good for.

[RS MN]

8) You're very welcome. All I ever us NASIOC for is to source out parts, since that's all it's good for.

agreed.

although unabombers write ups are a pretty good read, and taught me quite a bit as well.

but otherwise NASIOC = basically worthless to me.

[Gnome]

Hahaha so much happened this weekend. I wish I had some sleep I works on joshs coupe for 36 hours striaght minus the four hours we went and picked some girls at the hooka bar ;)


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