Jackson Rally has some competition

[williaty]

Looks like someone has decided to copy Jackson Rally and offer 1" lift kits for the Impreza:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1899825

[subyspawn]

copy is the correct word, jeez

[UP2MTNS]

wow...yes, the ripoff is not very 'subtle'....

[anarewski]

those look a bit similar!

[cszink]

What a bunch of ****s! Did they really think they could get away with it?

[WRXCMM]

404 error: subtlety not found

i like the "hey, have you guys mentioned this at DI?"
"no, can you guys mention it?"


lol

[spyders03]

BOOO


Subtle :machinegunleft:


Jackson Rally:headbang:

[anarewski]

:machinegunleft: Lets start a forum war :)

[DirtyME22]

POSTED.... Tooo much hard work and effort has gone into this for nothing to be said. :bs:

[Blueboxer7]

Are these spacers really that innovative?

I understand where you guys are coming from, but anyone could've knocked these off.

I guess they just took the opportunity to capitalize on a monopoly for a little bit less costly.

[ZED E85]

Yeah, it sucks but it seems like this is just the way the aftermarket works. How many companies make the exact same H brace or anti lift kit or botox bolts? Paranoid makes pretty much the same part also (saggy butt shims), only a little smaller and it doesn't come with studs.

To your credit though, comparing the pics of both of them the finish on yours looks alot better.

[RS MN]

its still lame that its such a blatant copy that they claim to have no clue about.

[Blueboxer7]

Yeah, it sucks but it seems like this is just the way the aftermarket works. How many companies make the exact same H brace or anti lift kit or botox bolts? Paranoid makes pretty much the same part also (saggy butt shims), only a little smaller and it doesn't come with studs.

To your credit though, comparing the pics of both of them the finish on yours looks alot better.

I agree.

The Subie / Aftermarket industry is very cut throat.

Without naming names, here is a list of "knocked off" products that I can think of:

1. H-Brace
2. Botox bolts
3. Master Brace Cylinder brackets
4. Fender Braces
5. Skid plates
6. License Deletes
7. Phoenolic Spacers
8. Silicone hoses
9. Intercoolers
10. Differential Guards

The list goes on and on...

I guess it all comes down to the quality and price. I mean that's what we really care about right? I'm just glad both versions are made in the USA!

It gives us consumers a variety and the opportunity to purchase the best product based on money, quality, fitment, etc.

Oh, I think their pictures posted are of the "prototypes" since they are in production now.

[subyspawn]

its not a big deal, they are just lift spacers, anyone could make them...but thanks for the support!

[conorpeterson85]

imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, honestly i can't believe someone hadn't done it sooner. anything that's a solid design is going to get copied

[aresbykes]

what does the JR set cost?

[98obster]

what is the price for just the rears for OB pattern? Outbacks look so cool with a little rake or to cure that saggy butt that comes with non-OB struts. 50mm kit in the works?

[jakeachy]

252.34 for jackson rally
234.99 and free shipping w/ no paypal fee for these.

are jackson rally spacers 6061 t6 and usa made?
assuming so, you pay $20 for loyalty, or save $20 for buying the better price.

[RS MN]

i would pay $20 for loyalty, personally.

[Newk_Rally]

i'd pay an extra 20 spot to help support the DI rally team

[subyspawn]

yes, they are locally made in socal, as for now

and yes they are 6061, the tophats we make are 7075

[98obster]

I would gladly pay $20 extra if you etched them with "Res Firma Nitescere Descit", ha.

[frogstar7055]

You want to one up?
2" lift with built in offset.

I'd have bought instead of making my own but NOBODY stateside makes them.

[aresbykes]

I don't need a set right now, but when i do, JR is who i'll go too. I'm not about cheaper parts. They can make it cheaper because it's probably made in some sweat shop or of lesser quality metals. I'll stick with the JR crew who seem to produce nothing buy A+ work ( which is BS because i live on the opposite side of the country.)

[98obster]

You want to one up?
2" lift with built in offset.

I'd have bought instead of making my own but NOBODY stateside makes them.

I think they should make 38mm but I guess it boils down to how the raw material comes.

[RS MN]

ugh,
wow.

[em99sport]

i'd pay an extra 20 spot to help support the DI rally team

Me too. In fact, I'd pay the extra $20 again just to support a couple of dudes that do the same thing I do, and made a sweet product; as opposed to some company that can't think up new stuff to make, so simply copies the stuff of others instead.

Boo you, Subtle. Boo you.

[Subtle-Solutions]

All (including JR),

Disclaimer - This post is by no means a way to generate sales or attention to our products and/or website. We signed up on the forum today with immediate plans to join the vendor community. We would like to let everyone know our side of things with hopes of eliminating any false information posted about our company, our products, and our customer service on this forum as well as the "other" forums.

Yes, we are another company producing these 1" lift kit spacers for the (93-07) Impreza and (98-08) Forester....

And No, we did not "invent" this product.

However, what we did do is answer our customers requests (mainly Forester guys) by offering a similar product for a fraction of the cost.

We understand that most of you are loyal to JR and will support them regardless of the similarities between the two. We have nothing against that....

But, what we do find strange is that the community would rather turn it's back, scold, or "callout" a company than to welcome the competition, see what they have to offer, and judge them based on their products, price, fit/finish, and customer service?

The ultimate question to ask yourself is....How much different can a 1" spacer really be? They have to obviously lift the suspension and fit the profile of the top hats or strut mounts. They have to be strong, yet lightweight. They have to coincide with the front and rear shock towers and allow fitment for strut bars/braces. They have to be universal. And, by all means....have to be manufactured in the USA.

So what things could we have possibly changed?

1. Material? Maybe, but 6061 and 7075 aluminum is the best option for this product. It's lightweight and strong.

2. Profile Shape/Size? Not really. They need to be 1" or close to it in height and have a universal fitment over stock and Group N top hats.

3. Hardware? Maybe. I guess we could've changed the bolts to standard thread pitch or bumped up the bolt size to an M10. However, they wouldn't match up with all the aftermarket strut bars out there.

4. Aesthetics? Maybe. I guess we could've plated these added a few stickers or etched our logo into the top. However, what's the point? Why add cost to something that really is never seen? For this product, function comes before form.

So where does that leave us?

Trust me, it's not the 1st time someone has produced a product that is similar to an already manufactured product in the Subie community! Look at all the knocked off H-braces, strut bars, and other JDM OE STI parts.

We're sorry if it upset all you guys over here...Similar products for better prices? What's wrong with that?

As most of us vendors know, it's a tough market out there. A few quick posts on a forum and your company could be out of business. Although we may seem new, Subtle Solutions has been around for almost 2 years now. We have worked very hard to get our name and products out there and pride ourselves on great customer service. Our products should speak for themselves....high quality, great fit/finish, and turn-key installations. Feel free to ask about us around the community. You'll be suprised on how many Subie owners have at least (1) subtle product! http://images.nasioc.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif

We appreciate you guys allowing us to post this information on here.

Thanks for taking the time to read this rather lengthy post. I guess without having the opportunity to meet you all in person, this is the only way we can get our message and company information out to you all in a timely and mature fashion.

Kudos to Jackson Rally and their products, rally solutions, and customer service.

In conclusion, we would like to make it very clear that we did not start our company with hopes to bash, talk trash, or cause any issues with other competitors. Our goal is to develop unique automotive products that are high quality, cost effective, and completely manufactured in the USA. Like JR and other vendors on here, our customer service is very important and we will continue to do our best to keep it our #1 focus.

Lastly, let's face it, we are all here for one reason. And that's our love for Subaru's!

[GClark]

Well said. This company is not the first to copy the idea of spacers, Ive seen a bunch over on NASIOC. Ya really can't change this kind of lift at all, and Jackson Rally is only known here, he doesn't advertise on NASIOC at all. I dont think that DI people should go over on NASIOC and troll, that just makes us look like dicks. That said, I love my JR spacers and would buy from him again and again.

[wolfman79]

Subtle, welcome to DI. Hope the rest of the board doesn't run you guys off. Have ordered from you off of the Forester boards and will say that you guys do quality work.

And to the rest of y'all on here bitching and moaning like it's Nasioc JR. Grow up. What's wrong with options for parts. Order from JR, order from SS either way you're going to get a quality product. I won't be ordering lifts from either one (that's what coil overs are for) but that doesn't mean that I can't support both companies. They both have unique products that are of top quality at good prices, just happens that they both offer similar simple, basic lift spacers.

[paranoid56]

Well said. This company is not the first to copy the idea of spacers, Ive seen a bunch over on NASIOC. Ya really can't change this kind of lift at all, and Jackson Rally is only known here, he doesn't advertise on NASIOC at all. I dont think that DI people should go over on NASIOC and troll, that just makes us look like dicks. That said, I love my JR spacers and would buy from him again and again.

yea, i believe there was another company that started making spacers first. and it wasn't JR :D its just competition. BFD there will always be somebody making the same or similar product.

guys just need to deal with it. his are a little different. now if his were the exact same right down to every single spec, then i can see calling names, but just by looking at it they are slightly different.

[indytruckboy]

It's the whole point of free market. Poop or get off the toilet. I applaud you, Subtle.
Let the price wars begin. I think these things are overpriced to begin with. Someone should make them out of plastic. Cut the studs out the tophats and use bolts. Plastic units, you should be able to pick up for $60.

[conorpeterson85]

It's the whole point of free market. Poop or get off the toilet. I applaud you, Subtle.
Let the price wars begin. I think these things are overpriced to begin with. Someone should make them out of plastic. Cut the studs out the tophats and use bolts. Plastic units, you should be able to pick up for $60.

they do make them, check paranoids home page

[LPXLTT]

Its a spacer, there really isn't much you can do about it. They look similar for a reason.

If I did have the money, I would buy the JR spacers out of support of the DI rally team. If Subtle had a rally team and I had the money, I would probably buy one from each out of support for the rally community (assuming I had two cars). This did get blown way out of proportion, lets not turn DI into all the other Subaru forums and just attack anything/anyone new because its/they are new.

[Subtle-Solutions]

Here are some pictures showing the installed SUBTLE - 1" lift spacers on an 03 Forester:

Here is before.
http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/Jackbr02/photo-3.jpg
and after:
http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/Jackbr02/photo-4.jpg
I really like how easy it was to do and its nothing extreme (Subtle... you could say.. lol)
I have a few more:
http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/Jackbr02/th_photo-6.jpg (http://s564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/Jackbr02/?action=view&current=photo-6.jpg)
http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/Jackbr02/th_photo-5.jpg (http://s564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/Jackbr02/?action=view&current=photo-5.jpg)

These are IN STOCK and ship within 24hrs of purchase. We have them available for the 02-07 Impreza, 95-99 Legacy, and 98-08 Forester. Our 08-10 Impreza and 09-10 Forester kits will be available in the next week or so.

[rockrammer]

Of course no WRX 08-09 lift kits.

[RS MN]

i wanna see it in action :D

[R22B]

Its a spacer, there really isn't much you can do about it. They look similar for a reason.

If I did have the money, I would buy the JR spacers out of support of the DI rally team. If Subtle had a rally team and I had the money, I would probably buy one from each out of support for the rally community (assuming I had two cars). This did get blown way out of proportion, lets not turn DI into all the other Subaru forums and just attack anything/anyone new because its/they are new.

Finally someone with a half a brain posted. You really can't change up the design. The only thing you can change is material.

BDS, DAYSTAR, ReadyLift all make spacer kits for Jeeps. Guess what, they all look alike. Something are going to look the same, regardless of how many companies make it :mrgreen:

[Blueboxer7]

Finally someone with a half a brain posted. You really can't change up the design. The only thing you can change is material.

BDS, DAYSTAR, ReadyLift all make spacer kits for Jeeps. Guess what, they all look alike. Something are going to look the same, regardless of how many companies make it :mrgreen:

AMEN Brotha.